Chaos to alt ratio ripoff

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thepmrc wrote:

I gladly pay over market price for stuff all the time. I don't want to be hassled with trading, I pay for fast trades. If someone wants to spend hours trading chaos for alts to make a small profit, more power to em. I could care less, if he makes a few alts off me in a trade but I get what I needed quickly I am happy about the transaction. Bottom line, this is not an issue.

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Duskbane wrote:

Sigh.. I guess it was only a matter of time before those who did the ripoff trade tried to come out and vilify me. It IS wrong for people making this trade to take advantage of new players. How many of them do you think say "You know, you could go to the vendor and trade 16 of your 20 alts up to 2 fusings and trade those to some other willing guy easily for a chaos too?"

I have a very hard time believing anyone who is making this trade is doing it for peoples' convenience. If you really think that, then you're entitled to your opinion. Nothing about what I've said is wrong.

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wade001 wrote:

so get off your pedestal, and open your eyes. dont go around trying to imply people are scamming someone or ripping them off when you dont have a fucking clue about who you're accusing.

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Synidaeum wrote:

You're hardly the only one in this thread arguing against the OP. Grow up and stop cussing someone out just because you assume they were talking to you.

Edit: Re-read your previous post. Really, grow up. You talk like a teenager would talk to someone they thought they could intimidate. I hope like hell you're not an adult yet.

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wade001 wrote:

if he quotes me, then hes talking to me..

see how i quoted you.. that means im talking to you..

see how it works?

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Duskbane wrote:

Just posting this as a PSA. I've had to call out about 30 people in the past week or so trying to trade their chaos for alterations and I just want to point out what actually happens when they do this. I know it will probably end up making some more people want to attempt to do this themselves, but it will also protect just as many buyers from being ripped off and hopefully help to stop this.

Normally, any price in a barter system is acceptable. However, when you are actually charging MORE than a vendor, then there's a problem.
What these people do is trade 1 chaos orb for 20 alterations. You can use a vendor to buy 8 jeweller's orbs for 16 alterations, and buy 2 fusings for those 8 jeweller's. They then trade the 2 fusings for 1 chaos orb to another player. They have now made 4 alterations for free out of thin air, for EACH chaos orb they do this with. Eventually this compounds upon itself; for every 4 chaos orbs they trade off in this way, they have made 16 alterations, which ends up being an extra chaos orb. For people who already have a stack or two of chaos orbs, if they can successfully rip enough people off like this, they will stand to profit a large amount.

I'm not trying to publicize this method, but if someone doesn't come out and actually tell people they're being ripped off, people will continue to buy at these prices when they could save themselves some currency. I try to call people on this ripoff when they do it in trade, and usually get multiple people asking how it's a ripoff and then thanking me after I explain, therefore I know this is helpful information.

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Emil_kof wrote:

I'm with the OP here. These people are actually pretty sick. They use the (poor) excuse about how much work it takes to trade 2 fusings for 1 chaos, as some kind of justification for them overcharging 4 alterations, but it's all bullshit. Also the crappy analogies posted here can (and have) already been shot down.

The worst part about these people is that most of them prey on beginners that might not be aware that you can get fusings from the NPC for a cheaper rate. Honestly, I'm sure the people running this ripoff/scam are the same kinds of people that would steal from a blind person or from their friends when they aren't looking. Pretty low.

Bottomline, if you want to give someone the incentive to sell alterations to YOU instead of the NPC, you actually should charge equal or LESS than the NPC, not more...so a rate like maybe 15:1.