Chaos to alt ratio ripoff

I don't know, just saving my alts and then trading all the full stacks for chaoses when someone happens to be looking to buy them when im on is a heck a lot more simpler then bothering to mess with the vendor to turn them to fusings and that way i atleast end up with a quranteed chaos orb, if i turn them to fusing i just might end up using them just like i use all the ones i find.
In the end of the day it's not a ripoff if both parties get exactly what they want and are happy with the trade, it's a barter system afterall.

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Torguemada wrote:

I don't know, just saving my alts and then trading all the full stacks for chaoses when someone happens to be looking to buy them when im on is a heck a lot more simpler then bothering to mess with the vendor to turn them to fusings and that way i atleast end up with a quranteed chaos orb, if i turn them to fusing i just might end up using them just like i use all the ones i find.
In the end of the day it's not a ripoff if both parties get exactly what they want and are happy with the trade, it's a barter system afterall.

If you are willing to do this 20:1 trade, then that's your prerogative, and I'm not trying to say you shouldn't. It is, however, still too much considering the ease of trading fusing:chaos. As has been stated multiple times up the thread, if the possessor of the 20 alterations is aware of the vendor prices and this method of trading to fusings for chaos, then it's not really a big deal if they, with that knowledge, still trade 20:1.

The problem that *I* have is that there are a ton of players who didn't even know they can trade alts to a vendor for fusings. I'm trying to inform everyone who doesn't know of that. I've had at least 30 people ask how to get alt 16:1 chaos and thank me for the information afterwards, saying they didn't know they could do that.

The problem isn't exactly the rate, it's more taking advantage of new players.

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whoismiked wrote:

2. All that back and fourth for 4 alts? You can get more alts than that in less time by doing a 1/2 of a run in an area and selling all the magic rare items for scraps, thus these people are actually be less efficient.

Forgot to answer this one. It sounds small, but a lot of these people don't just do the trade for one single chaos orb. Some do, but there are people out there with multiple stacks of alterations. For each 4 chaos they trade for 20 alts apiece, they have made a free chaos orb worth of currency out of someone else's pocket. If they can trade a whole stack of their chaos orbs, they'll come out of it with 2 1/2 extra chaos orbs. You can see how this compounds.

I think the problem most responders in this thread have isn't that you're shedding light on their "trade scam schemes"...

It's that you're basically demonizing people who trade at anything above vendor prices.

Had you been more civil in choosing your thread title and the way you communicated your point I seriously doubt anyone would have taken issue with what you've stated.

Seriously, you make it sound like people who try to trade at the 20:1 ratio are evil and hateful human beings who just want to rip everyone off for their own benefit.

My personal take on this thread? It's great that you're trying to do a service to the community, but you're going about it all wrong. Get over yourself.

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Morbyn wrote:

I think the problem most responders in this thread have isn't that you're shedding light on their "trade scam schemes"...

It's that you're basically demonizing people who trade at anything above vendor prices.

Had you been more civil in choosing your thread title and the way you communicated your point I seriously doubt anyone would have taken issue with what you've stated.

Seriously, you make it sound like people who try to trade at the 20:1 ratio are evil and hateful human beings who just want to rip everyone off for their own benefit.

My personal take on this thread? It's great that you're trying to do a service to the community, but you're going about it all wrong. Get over yourself.

And all you've done is attack me. This message is to help people. How many of these people trading 20:1 do you think are actually doing it for peoples' convenience? They are doing it because they know newer players don't know any better.

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Duskbane wrote:

And all you've done is attack me. This message is to help people. How many of these people trading 20:1 do you think are actually doing it for peoples' convenience? They are doing it because they know newer players don't know any better.

Actually I offered you some very sincere advice. Too bad your tunnel vision prevents you from realizing it. Good luck with your campaign to prove that everyone who doesn't think the way you do is evil!

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Xarxos wrote:

You know what? I bought

for 2 chaos yesterday from a lvl 83 guy. Did I rip him off? Nope. Did he know that the value of this item is more than 2 chaos? I dunno. Some people don't pay attention. Some people just want a fast deal because it's not fun spamming "WTS Chain 2 gcp" whole day long, so they just take 3 chaos for it.

That's how the market works.

Gz, you saved at least 2 exalts

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Morbyn wrote:

I think the problem most responders in this thread have isn't that you're shedding light on their "trade scam schemes"...

It's that you're basically demonizing people who trade at anything above vendor prices.

Had you been more civil in choosing your thread title and the way you communicated your point I seriously doubt anyone would have taken issue with what you've stated.

Seriously, you make it sound like people who try to trade at the 20:1 ratio are evil and hateful human beings who just want to rip everyone off for their own benefit.

My personal take on this thread? It's great that you're trying to do a service to the community, but you're going about it all wrong. Get over yourself.

i agree..

i could say to the OP to mind his own business and quit trying to play mommy and daddy to a bunch of people on the internet.. but then he would get all pissy..

or i could say to him that he's going about it the wrong way. dont TELL people what they're doing is wrong, dont be negative.. maybe instead dont tell them they're doing anything wrong in the first place, just inform them the vendors can do a better trade for them than some people you've seen in game recently.

i bet peoples attitude and opinion would do a complete 180*

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but then look what happened when you (morbyn) tried to do it.. *shrugs*

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wade001 wrote:

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Morbyn wrote:

I think the problem most responders in this thread have isn't that you're shedding light on their "trade scam schemes"...

It's that you're basically demonizing people who trade at anything above vendor prices.

Had you been more civil in choosing your thread title and the way you communicated your point I seriously doubt anyone would have taken issue with what you've stated.

Seriously, you make it sound like people who try to trade at the 20:1 ratio are evil and hateful human beings who just want to rip everyone off for their own benefit.

My personal take on this thread? It's great that you're trying to do a service to the community, but you're going about it all wrong. Get over yourself.

i agree..

i could say to the OP to mind his own business and quit trying to play mommy and daddy to a bunch of people on the internet.. but then he would get all pissy..

or i could say to him that he's going about it the wrong way. dont TELL people what they're doing is wrong, dont be negative.. maybe instead dont tell them they're doing anything wrong in the first place, just inform them the vendors can do a better trade for them than some people you've seen in game recently.

i bet peoples attitude and opinion would do a complete 180*

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but then look what happened when you (morbyn) tried to do it.. *shrugs*

Sigh.. I guess it was only a matter of time before those who did the ripoff trade tried to come out and vilify me. It IS wrong for people making this trade to take advantage of new players. How many of them do you think say "You know, you could go to the vendor and trade 16 of your 20 alts up to 2 fusings and trade those to some other willing guy easily for a chaos too?"

I have a very hard time believing anyone who is making this trade is doing it for peoples' convenience. If you really think that, then you're entitled to your opinion. Nothing about what I've said is wrong.

To reiterate how I feel about the issue -

I'm personally against dishonesty or omissions in trade. That has to do, perhaps, with my choice of IRL occupation and maybe my personal pseudo-carebear mentality.

At the end of the day, though, this practice is completely legal. This isn't EVE, where straight up scams are necessarily allowed, but offering a trade in PoE doesn't require you to disclose anything beyond your offer. Caveat emptor absolutely applies in this barter economy; it's not the responsibility of the seller to make sure the buyer knows anything.

At the same time, the rest of us are free to call you out on trade if we notice such practices, because that's not against the rules either. This entire thread lies in that same vein; raising awareness about omitted "convenience fees" that people in trade chat roll into their ratios.

This thread is the beautiful outcome of a free system. I like it. Good game, GGG. I see what you did here.

I gladly pay over market price for stuff all the time. I don't want to be hassled with trading, I pay for fast trades. If someone wants to spend hours trading chaos for alts to make a small profit, more power to em. I could care less, if he makes a few alts off me in a trade but I get what I needed quickly I am happy about the transaction. Bottom line, this is not an issue.