Chaos to alt ratio ripoff

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JoesGetNDown wrote:

this is something I do, and I do charge more. I also do it with alchemy, and fusings. 1:10 alts.

I do this because a few reasons. Mostly, I do it because some people are desperate, or impatient to trade up to a fusing, and then trade those for a chaos/alt. I am the middle man. It is no scam, it is merely taking advantage of other people who don't wish to do the work themselves.

There is no work, this is just some excuse you've come up with to attempt to justify it.

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Drahken wrote:

uhh are you kidding? no one is being forced to do any trades.. I can't imagine what kind of person it takes to try and act like someone is a villain for doing a mutually agreed upon trade.

It's the mentality. They only need to find that one person that is either unaware or desperate. If someone is standing outside the grocery store and is trying to sell the same item that is in the grocery store, for double the price, they deserve to be called out and ridiculed, even if no one buys their item. In the end, they are preying on someone to fall for it. They might even try to use the justification that you can just buy from him instead of walking into the grocery store, standing in line and come out with the item for cheaper, but that's a BS justification.

The 20:1 alterations deal is a ripoff/scam, nothing else to it. I call out every person I see doing this in the chat and not going to stop exposing them.

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Duskbane wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

I gladly pay over market price for stuff all the time. I don't want to be hassled with trading, I pay for fast trades. If someone wants to spend hours trading chaos for alts to make a small profit, more power to em. I could care less, if he makes a few alts off me in a trade but I get what I needed quickly I am happy about the transaction. Bottom line, this is not an issue.

If you'd read what has been said, you'd know why it is an issue. Just because it's not an issue that harms you doesn't mean it isn't one.

Actually, no. It is not an issue in the least. If someone wants to make the trade they can make the damn trade. If they feel it is a ripoff nobody is twisting their arm.

I can read the pedantic ramblings of imbeciles all day, doesn't mean I will agree with them.

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JoesGetNDown wrote:

this is something I do, and I do charge more. I also do it with alchemy, and fusings. 1:10 alts.

I do this because a few reasons. Mostly, I do it because some people are desperate, or impatient to trade up to a fusing, and then trade those for a chaos/alt. I am the middle man. It is no scam, it is merely taking advantage of other people who don't wish to do the work themselves.

QFT.

If both people come out of the trade happy about it, who exactly is getting ripped off?

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Emil_kof wrote:

There is no work, this is just some excuse you've come up with to attempt to justify it.

there is so work, i don't know about you, but i can't just make chaos orbs magically appear, I have to find them, or trade for them. Same with alchemy I think.

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Torguemada wrote:

I don't know, just saving my alts and then trading all the full stacks for chaoses when someone happens to be looking to buy them when im on is a heck a lot more simpler then bothering to mess with the vendor to turn them to fusings and that way i atleast end up with a quranteed chaos orb, if i turn them to fusing i just might end up using them just like i use all the ones i find.
In the end of the day it's not a ripoff if both parties get exactly what they want and are happy with the trade, it's a barter system afterall.

Right, this guy has it right, a barter system. If the values of items were set in stone, then we would just use a gold system for the economy in this game.

Different items have different values for different players.

After reading the op and the first few responses, i expected later portions of the thread to unveil a new vendor recipe that allowed me to transform alts into chaos- perhaps at a 16:1 ratio.

However, it seems no such recipe exists, that turning alts into chaos is still only possible via player trading and that as such, the alt:chaos ratio remains fluid and as subject to each players personal valuation as ever.

Perhaps ive been scammed... of my time?

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KoTao wrote:

After reading the op and the first few responses, i expected later portions of the thread to unveil a new vendor recipe that allowed me to transform alts into chaos- perhaps at a 16:1 ratio.

However, it seems no such recipe exists, that turning alts into chaos is still only possible via player trading and that as such, the alt:chaos ratio remains fluid and as subject to each players personal valuation as ever.

Perhaps ive been scammed... of my time?

plus the recipe that turns fusings into alchemy orbs or alchemy orbs into chaos orbs or vice versa

Really a mod agreed with you, that this is a rip off?

I wonder which mod was it.

You see, in this game, you can't just go trade your lesser currencies into higher ones whenever you feel like it. It works the other way around. People tend to hoard higher currencies, only spending them when they need lesser currency.

The fact that players are divided into separate trade channels makes finding buyers of your alt/jorb/fusing even harder.

That is why people are willing to trade their 20 alts for 1 chaos, because these people know if they want to trade away their 600 alts into chaos/gcps they need to invest ALOT of time hounding the trade channel, and they'd rather play the game than doing that shit. Please don't assume people are stupid noobs and you are the smart one and saving them from being ripped off....

The fact that you say "you can easily trade away your fusings into chaos" indicates you are the noob here.

yep.. alt:chaos as 20:1 is a rip off with no discussion! And those who say they are middle men that help somehow someone are just lying they ass off.

People who buy alts, they need alts!

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Sneakypaw wrote:

Oh damn, a moderator said it is a ripoff?

Oh man i am so sorry you have to be right. My bad. I didn't know a moderator said that. That is almost like Chris himself said it right? It's not like moderators a players themselves with mod rights. They have to know the difference right? They learned it in their mod school.

LOL

Anywayz, Scam is certainly the wrong word here. Thats like going to Disney world and accusing EVERYONE of being expert scam artists because their prices are so high.

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Emil_kof wrote:

There is no work, this is just some excuse you've come up with to attempt to justify it.


It's the mentality. They only need to find that one person that is either unaware or desperate. If someone is standing outside the grocery store and is trying to sell the same item that is in the grocery store, for double the price, they deserve to be called out and ridiculed, even if no one buys their item. In the end, they are preying on someone to fall for it. They might even try to use the justification that you can just buy from him instead of walking into the grocery store, standing in line and come out with the item for cheaper, but that's a BS justification.

The 20:1 alterations deal is a ripoff/scam, nothing else to it. I call out every person I see doing this in the chat and not going to stop exposing them.

I'm glad to see at least one other person understands. I was beginning to think I was one of the only honest people playing this game.

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JoesGetNDown wrote:

this is something I do, and I do charge more. I also do it with alchemy, and fusings. 1:10 alts.

I do this because a few reasons. Mostly, I do it because some people are desperate, or impatient to trade up to a fusing, and then trade those for a chaos/alt. I am the middle man. It is no scam, it is merely taking advantage of other people who don't wish to do the work themselves.

So you charge 10 alts for 1 fusing? That's even lower than the alt 20:1 chaos traders; those people literally CAN walk over to the vendor and get EXACTLY what they want with no trading for cheaper than from you!

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KoTao wrote:

After reading the op and the first few responses, i expected later portions of the thread to unveil a new vendor recipe that allowed me to transform alts into chaos- perhaps at a 16:1 ratio.

However, it seems no such recipe exists, that turning alts into chaos is still only possible via player trading and that as such, the alt:chaos ratio remains fluid and as subject to each players personal valuation as ever.

Perhaps ive been scammed... of my time?

KoTao, after having seen you playing for as long as I remember, I'd think you of all people would know the ease of trading fusings to chaos. Perhaps I'm wrong, and it's not the same in HC league. If that's the case, then I really should point out that this is an issue in default league. If it's not so easy to trade fusings for chaos in HC, then this isn't as big of an issue. The reason chaos orbs are worth 16 alterations and no more is because people will trade chaos orbs for 2 fusings, no questions asked, very frequently and quickly, and you can get a fusing from a vendor for 8 alterations.

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piscator123 wrote:

Really a mod agreed with you, that this is a rip off?

I wonder which mod was it.

You see, in this game, you can't just go trade your lesser currencies into higher ones whenever you feel like it. It works the other way around. People tend to hoard higher currencies, only spending them when they need lesser currency.

The fact that players are divided into separate trade channels makes finding buyers of your alt/jorb/fusing even harder.

That is why people are willing to trade their 20 alts for 1 chaos, because these people know if they want to trade away their 600 alts into chaos/gcps they need to invest ALOT of time hounding the trade channel, and they'd rather play the game than doing that shit. Please don't assume people are stupid noobs and you are the smart one and saving them from being ripped off....

The fact that you say "you can easily trade away your fusings into chaos" indicates you are the noob here.

Have you ever even tried to trade fusings for chaos? Take 5 minutes to try. It won't even take you that long.

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lethal_papercut wrote:

@Duskbane

Out of interest before the new vendor update just how many times did you try to change a stack of 500 Alts into Fusings? I am willing to bet that you have never done that...amirite?

The reason I say this is because if you had done that more than once you would realise that it was a huge pain in the ass, took a long time & could result in carpal tunnel.

THAT is why people were willing to do the 20:1 trades, it saved them time, effort, pain & boredom. It was a convenience trade, not a scam, not a rip off & not something to warn people about.

Now things are different as we actually have a functional vendor system and I think you will find less and less people doing the 20:1 as a result.

I traded 000's of Alts at 20:1 and I was happy to do so as the time I would have spent to change them all into Fusings was not worth the hassle.

Anyone who farms should understand.

More assumptions that are false. I always found it easier even pre-patch to trade 2 fusings for a chaos than to trade 16 alterations for a chaos, so I most certainly did use the vendor to trade my alts up to fusings. It may have been a pain in the ass, but I did do it. I find that the tedious clicking from vendor to inventory for maybe 5 minutes definitely outweighed the fact that I was going to get much less trade value.