Exp loss is dumb [Removed by Support]

I don't have any problem with losing the XP i made from the map i got killed on , but losing the XP from previously completed maps ? That's lame . During later levels that mechanic either forces the players to grind over & over the same safe waystones instead of attempting challenging ones , or it forces you into playing the most broken builds . It's also time intensive when the grind to Lvl 100 takes a long time already . For reference 10% of my EXP at Lvl93 roughly represent what i got from a Tier XVI Paradise map with +500% XP gain mod . Even if you die once every ten or fifteen maps you'll make no progress to Lvl 100 , 10% penalty is that huge .

I don't see any positives on this .

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ExaltedReapers#1455 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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mofosans#2369 wrote:

Dude the point of the game is to progress and improve your character. Every time you level up, you receive passive points, most people have an idea of where they want to put those passive points.

I think the system just needs a re-think, either reduce it at higher levels to compensate for the exponential growth in required exp per level or give us the option to retrieve the loot that was lost at least. Death is just too punishing at the moment, it matters too much.

Exponential XP required to level up would mean nothing without the flat 10% XP penalty.

Improving your character past level 90-95 isn't made with passive points. People thinking they should have those 10 last passive points (out of 124) don't realize most normal PoE players consider their talent trees done at level 85-90.

Gear, overall build synergies, planning, knowledge, and skill, are much more important to progress than level at this point.

Nobody is asking you to reach level 100. Nobody. Ever. It's not required for anything. That's not how PoE/2 are designed. That's all in your head, that's a self imposed challenge.

really kinda like the arbitrary exp loss that i can just grind in story/pay some Chinese guy across bay ala elon to accomplish, if the last levels r arbitrary why cant they be gained without loss. also love how ur ignoring the fact that this shit kicks in around level 65-70 when most players have finished the story and how thats the filtering point not the people who stay in the abusive game till 90+ when it becomes impossible unless ur playing perfect

You say so much irrelevant and plain stupid shit.

Let's cut to the chase. Tell us, what is the perfect punishment for death in your world?

Beat every pinnacle boss up to +4 at level 90, don't plan on leveling anymore no point, already did everything those last 10 levels arnt going to make me noticeably stronger.

Already finished all the content anyway at 90. Gear was more important then levels for me all the way up.

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b_ko#7756 wrote:

You get hardly anything for the last few levels.

Maybe you didn't think about this or don't understand how the game works.

Your least important nodes go last on your tree. If they were important, you would get them earlier. If you don't have your best nodes, unspec the worse nodes, and get the better ones right now. If you are playing correctly, you already got all your best nodes in their order of importance.

Increasing your increased damage from 800% to 815% is not going to change how you play. You won't even notice those levels.

Ya'll are just whining that the game isn't letting you win easily enough.

After this, you would whine that rare chase uniques don't drop enough, currency doesn't drop enough, perfect rares don't drop enough. Yeah that's why those things have value, because they are difficult to get, just like level 100.

sorry buddy doesnt matter how much u or anyone else says that those levels dont matter its not passing the litmus test. even if your numbers r correct and they very well could be, its not going to convince my brain that that supposed 15% wont make a difference

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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ExaltedReapers#1455 wrote:

really kinda like the arbitrary exp loss that i can just grind in story/pay some Chinese guy across bay ala elon to accomplish, if the last levels r arbitrary why cant they be gained without loss. also love how ur ignoring the fact that this shit kicks in around level 65-70 when most players have finished the story and how thats the filtering point not the people who stay in the abusive game till 90+ when it becomes impossible unless ur playing perfect

If you struggle to level up from 70 to 90, that's on you.

nope its on the you, cause your justifying a the devs decision to take my exp and progress

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rastaqki#6957 wrote:

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ExaltedReapers#1455 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

Exponential XP required to level up would mean nothing without the flat 10% XP penalty.

Improving your character past level 90-95 isn't made with passive points. People thinking they should have those 10 last passive points (out of 124) don't realize most normal PoE players consider their talent trees done at level 85-90.

Gear, overall build synergies, planning, knowledge, and skill, are much more important to progress than level at this point.

Nobody is asking you to reach level 100. Nobody. Ever. It's not required for anything. That's not how PoE/2 are designed. That's all in your head, that's a self imposed challenge.

really kinda like the arbitrary exp loss that i can just grind in story/pay some Chinese guy across bay ala elon to accomplish, if the last levels r arbitrary why cant they be gained without loss. also love how ur ignoring the fact that this shit kicks in around level 65-70 when most players have finished the story and how thats the filtering point not the people who stay in the abusive game till 90+ when it becomes impossible unless ur playing perfect

You say so much irrelevant and plain stupid shit.

Let's cut to the chase. Tell us, what is the perfect punishment for death in your world?

everything else is fine but the exp loss. you think u said something there. got som e big gotcha moment by projecting what your accusing me of doing. what relevancy have u added hmmm. ive already said over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in this thread and others im willing to except a compromise. capping the exp loss, a mode perhaps at reduced exp gain that doesnt have the exp loss u know like a CASUAL MODE, stating us in maps at 99 and making the progress to get to 100 extemely challenging so it still has merit in the accomplishment, anything but taxing my progress for making a mistake in the quoted CASUAL mode. this isnt hardcore i want to enjoy and have fun playing the game not push the boulder up the mountain ala sisyphus. and what i want is for the midwits on the form to get off the high horse and realize that taxing player progress for mistakes along with an extremely punishing gameplay on top of currency based play will kill the game plain and simple, poe 1 has the numbers to back it so just fucking stop if ur not going to actually read and engage in good faith

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TheFriggenBest#6781 wrote:

Beat every pinnacle boss up to +4 at level 90, don't plan on leveling anymore no point, already did everything those last 10 levels arnt going to make me noticeably stronger.

Already finished all the content anyway at 90. Gear was more important then levels for me all the way up.

not denying this just pointing out that because of the high gear requirement taxing my level progress for every mistake is completely demotivating and should be rethought or removed

Tho I think the loss XP on death is a bit high 10% would prefer 5% if they don't have one all players would get to level 100 easily and have nothing to work to i am level 91 would be 100 if I had not died all the damn time

sorry to say I like the XP loss makes me try to get better and not die as much tho as I said would want 5% tho as 2 bars (10%) is annoying to lose

now you can call me dumb, LOL

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MrSidious#1498 wrote:

Tho I think the loss XP on death is a bit high 10% would prefer 5% if they don't have one all players would get to level 100 easily and have nothing to work to i am level 91 would be 100 if I had not died all the damn time

sorry to say I like the XP loss makes me try to get better and not die as much tho as I said would want 5% tho as 2 bars (10%) is annoying to lose

now you can call me dumb, LOL

its not dumb to say u like it, the original point of the post was to get the attention of many of the try hard elitist that defend it with statements like "skill issue", "just say you suck bro lol", or the best one "get good". the fact that the "XP penalty and likely 1 portal is NOT going anywhere" post (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3704437) is constituently at the top of feedback board along with other similar post shows how divisive the endgame actually is. im not one to advocate for sweeping nerfs or the complete casualization of games to appeal to the broader audience but some concession have to be made for players who value fun over challenge. if the endgame is to remain as challenging as it is than something has to be done about the exp loss its demoralizing to get essentially taxed for every mistake especially when the entire story encourages trial and error

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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ExaltedReapers#1455 wrote:

warframe

Warframe is an extremely casual game that you can play blindfolded.

Warframe also has 10% XP loss on death.

Not really. You can avoid XP loss if you get ressed by a teammate before bleedout expires or you can do it yourself solo with operator.
And that XP loss only applies to affinity gained on current mission so dying does not lose you hours of progress.
I have 100% achievements done in Warframe, 2.5k hrs played, mastered all weapons except six (half of which are some old primes which I refuse to buy on market and hope for resurgence rotations to get the relics), all frames, companions, amps and everything else.
Warframe has much better endgame than PoE2 and is more fun. But it's also a completely different game. You can't compare looter-shooter to ARPG.