For the love of god, please remove Labyrinth from game.

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Severance2hBlade wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:
If they put the Ascendancy points behind an even harder...


Yes please, that would be welcomed. Because no Lab Hater asked GGG to dumb down the Labs. That was their decision.

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Xavathos wrote:
If they put the Ascendancy points behind an even more tedious and borderline frustrating piece of content, I'd be more than fine if they disconnected them from the Lab.


So besides publicly admitting that current Lab is tedious and frustrating (strange..) you actually endorse the idea of making it even more tedious & frustrating as your only condition to disconnect the points from the Lab.

I have to ask, are you trolling? Or just been mean?

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Xavathos wrote:
I don't really mind the Lab or what happens with it


Really? I never would have guessed.

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Xavathos wrote:
I just don't want to see people unwilling to pay the price for their choice, get free ascendancy points. Dumbing down is suicide, so I only have one thing to say to Lab haters:

GET GOOD.

Sums it up nicely.


What this sums up is that you have no solid arguments at all. You just fall back to the same convoluted perceptions about "free ascendancy points" and of course the trademark of Lab Lovers "get good".

Really now, you exclude the existence of players that are Good but also dislike the Lab? I prefer not to believe that you are that naive.


If liking a challenge in a game is being mean to you, then I guess I am mean. /shrug

I personally would not describe myself that way. Little bit of a masochist, perhaps, but certainly not mean.

Anyway, where in this thread did I become the subject of debate? Focus, Blade.

I am not trolling and I have given countless of good arguments on the topic of the Lab, it is not a discussion that just started last week, you know.

I'm not going to repeat myself like a broken record in every thread. GGG seems to agree with my assessment of the Lab, so I can keep quiet and enjoy, which is what I will do from now on. Cheers!
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Turtledove wrote:
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Cyzax wrote:
The number of players not liking the labyrinth is fairly small (but they're very vocal)...

Personally I belong to the other group. The lab is different content from the main game, which is always nice, and spending an hour to get the ascendancies is nothing...

If GGG removed it, the people wanting to bitch would just find something else to bitch about, and the people liking the lab would have less content to play...

Keep it!


The huge vast majority of players hate labyrinth. Don't believe me? I know this because most people I know don't like lab. That statement of mine is true regarding friends but the part where I'm claiming knowledge of people's thoughts that I've never talked to is full of crap but, no more nonsensical than your own assertion of claimed omnipotence, sorry.

Over 420 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1030 posters in support

So, 1,030 unique people? Or is it like 70 unique people posting in the same kinds of topics, generating a combined total of 1,030~ posts?

Also, are those 1030 people in support for or against lab? Your last line is ambiguous.
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I'm pretty sure the only response anyone needs to a thread like this is "lul get good"

Anything more pays this asinine crybaby garbage more credence than it deserves.
I like the lab, keep it.
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SuperMotte wrote:
I like the lab, keep it.
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Xavathos wrote:

Well, then there is no problem. You can easily do the Lab for your class points, and never look at it again.


That's contrary to 'optional' hence no.

Lab should stay in the game, though lab shouldn't be a mandatory part of progression. Involving a hardcore-element to a softcore-league is not enjoyable for many... for obvious reasons. Hence re-working the aspect of acquiring Ascendancy into a softcore-mechanic is something which should be done.

This would also allow to make the lab for enchantments considerably harder as well as ramp up the other rewards outside of the Ascendancy, it's a win-win situation actually.
GGG balance is like getting a pizza which is burnt on the sides, raw in the middle and misses the most of the toppings.
Then upon sending it back you get a raw side, burnt middle and enough toppings to drench everything in grease.
Everything fixed but still broken.
I never really enjoyed the lab simply because it is a very lazy reuse of tilesets and doesnt have any interesting interactions at all apart from when you finish it and get the rewards. I think the main thing wrong is that the lab just isnt interesting and that is why people dislike it as there is not much difference in levels from normal to uber apart from a longer path, enemy difficulty and slightly longer trap chains. Izaro doesnt help the lab at all being a very rippy boss for those that arent prepared(uber is really the only rippy one).

I just dont like stuff being gated behind tedious boring content but thats pretty much what this game is now hence why I dropped it.

I enjoyed it while it lasted but there are games that dont purposely waste my time that I can play instead.
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Ultratacofish wrote:

I enjoyed it while it lasted but there are games that dont purposely waste my time that I can play instead.


If you're going to throw that out there then you really should list the games that aren't wasting your time so you may be judged accordingly.
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Nicholas_Steel wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
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Cyzax wrote:
The number of players not liking the labyrinth is fairly small (but they're very vocal)...

Personally I belong to the other group. The lab is different content from the main game, which is always nice, and spending an hour to get the ascendancies is nothing...

If GGG removed it, the people wanting to bitch would just find something else to bitch about, and the people liking the lab would have less content to play...

Keep it!


The huge vast majority of players hate labyrinth. Don't believe me? I know this because most people I know don't like lab. That statement of mine is true regarding friends but the part where I'm claiming knowledge of people's thoughts that I've never talked to is full of crap but, no more nonsensical than your own assertion of claimed omnipotence, sorry.

Over 420 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1030 posters in support


So, 1,030 unique people? Or is it like 70 unique people posting in the same kinds of topics, generating a combined total of 1,030~ posts?

Also, are those 1030 people in support for or against lab? Your last line is ambiguous.


Perhaps if you added another layer to your tinfoil hat to better protect yourself from the mind control waves then it might be easier to answer some of those questions yourself?
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!

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