For the love of god, please remove Labyrinth from game.

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

When it affects only you, sure you are allowed to. In this case any kind of change affects anyone that plays this content. So wishing for "tedious & frustrating content" for the rest, doesn't have a nice ring to it. And if (big if) your intention was sarcasm - perhaps make it more obvious in the future?

I didn't wish it upon anyone else, I was speaking (again: sarcasticly) from my own personal point of view.

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

Now that's the proper way to sentence it & not by highly undetectable sarcasm.. Tell me how is this any different than what most players that dislike the Lab ask?

You haven't been through as much dirt as I have been on this subject, mate, so I don't expect you to be able to understand the birth of my sarcasm and cynicism on this subject. Trust me, it wasn't born with malicious intent. I'm just tired of the broken records at play here.

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

This is you jumping to conclusions. Since when someone that complains about Lab automatically means he asks for free points? Isn't he allowed to not like the Lab? Can you point me at where, me for example, asked for free ascendancy points? I am one of the complainers. Just for reference.

You're absolutely right that I'm jumping to conclusions! As I said before, I have a clear history with certain users around here on this topic and I've spent countless of hours sparring with them, trying to find what they're really after.

Some, like TurtleDove, really do want the Lab changed and I respect that. But there have been others that just wanted free points and I'm not going to agree with that. Free points and Lab rework are two VERY different beasts to me and I don't want my vote/opinion in one to be used for the other. That's all.

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

The majority of players - if not all - that dislike the Lab ask the same thing.

Now you are jumping to conclusions. :)

No.

IMO improve labyrinth let it be a solo instance, no party allowed and let uber lab be lvl 80.

Ascendency is too powerful, so guys for the power you need bleed.

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Coolmer wrote:

No.

Or yes.

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Coolmer wrote:

IMO improve labyrinth.

Good! How?

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Coolmer wrote:

let it be a solo instance, no party allowed.

Interesting. I'd like that, personally.

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Coolmer wrote:

and let uber lab be lvl 80.

Hmm. I'm not opposed to this, but I think instead it should be 75 the first time you run it, until you've fully Ascended and then let it be 80, for farming purposes. Maybe have the level 80 be an unlock, like defeating Argus in Uber or something.

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Coolmer wrote:

Ascendency is too powerful, so guys for the power you need bleed.

...que?

I really like the labyrinth. It's a welcome difference to mapping that I use like a breath mint when the end game content gets stale. It's like an instanced dungeon run in an otherwise open world game. I like that instead of just murdering a map, I can discover it's layout and then plan where I want to go while advancing. I like the hidden shrines and dangerous sub boss.

It's not perfect. Traps heavily favour life/armour builds, which is unfair to like 50%+ builds, and getting a helmet enchantment that is even marginally applicable to your character is a nightmare that even Malachai wouldn't like.

I get that some people don't like it because after your 600th character it starts to feel like a chore to get the good stuff for a build, but that's just how it goes with something you've done so much. Take a break and play again after you've gotten some H2O to balance out that NaCl.

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Xavathos wrote:

And therein lies the problem, because even after that, I still hear Lab haters complain, which tells me just one thing: They want free points, which in turn makes me ignore their arguments toward the Lab, because they've proven themselves NOT to be arguing the Lab, but the points it rewards and that is an entirely different topic.

This enough light for you?

Sorry Xavathos, I really thought you were more intelligent than that. No one has asked for free points. You are just making up stuff.

I'll try again for old times sake. Lab is not fun content. It is boring tedious and crap content. The game play is much different from the rest of the game. You disagree with my opinion. Fine, keep the Lab for people like you but make the ascendancy points available elsewhere because the game should be fun not requiring people to run through crap content to get them.

I love lab because it makes me rich...

the people who are complaining are perhaps only mad since that is how they are forced to get their ascendancy points, so maybe there should just be an easier way to get the ascendancy points and leave lab the way it is other than remove ascendancy from it

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

And therein lies the problem, because even after that, I still hear Lab haters complain, which tells me just one thing: They want free points, which in turn makes me ignore their arguments toward the Lab, because they've proven themselves NOT to be arguing the Lab, but the points it rewards and that is an entirely different topic.

This enough light for you?

Sorry Xavathos, I really thought you were more intelligent than that. No one has asked for free points. You are just making up stuff.

I'll try again for old times sake. Lab is not fun content. It is boring tedious and crap content. The game play is much different from the rest of the game. You disagree with my opinion. Fine, keep the Lab for people like you but make the ascendancy points available elsewhere because the game should be fun not requiring people to run through crap content to get them.

I don't see the need to insult me, Turtledove. You've been a resident of the same threads as I have and know very well the things that have been said regarding the ascendancy points. I didn't say YOU believed this, in fact, I specifically named you as one that wants change in the right way and that I respect your opinion. Why is it so hard for you to respect mine in the same way?

I'll soon reach my 20th map trial after I unlocked my 5th one, haven't seen the last one yet. 1 in 6 chance yet in theory you can find dozens and fail to get the right one. This should not be the case, I don't think anybody would be against finishing your 6 trials in a reasonable time, right?

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I'll soon reach my 20th map trial after I unlocked my 5th one, haven't seen the last one yet. 1 in 6 chance yet in theory you can find dozens and fail to get the right one. This should not be the case, I don't think anybody would be against finishing your 6 trials in a reasonable time, right?

I've gotten 5 trials so far, 5 unique ones. Was the same last league and the league before that one. Maybe I'm really lucky, or maybe it's highly likely to find the ones you don't have yet.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

This should not be the case

Especially because it shouldn't be 1/6, they said that the chance is skewed towards the trials you're missing, if I remember right.

I suppose trials are one thing few would be sad to see gone. Or at least the endgame ones could be affixed to a map kinda like master missions are, first one is on map X, the next one is on map Y, once you get them all they start spawning randomly.

Lab is divisive content for sure, some do it only because they have to, some don't like it but still do it because it can be lucrative, some don't care but we also have those that like it as an ascendancy system and even those that like it in its entire boring tediousness and crappiness.
If we compare it to trading, we have a ton of people that don't mind the current system, we have those that exploit it, we have those that hate it so much they're playing the game the way it wasn't intended to, and we have those that don't like it but do it just because it's worthwhile.

However, I sincerely doubt there are many of those that enjoy the PoE trading system for what it is and truly appreciate the interaction.