For the love of god, please remove Labyrinth from game.

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Apachy wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:

Cheating is subjective.

Trial of the Lab is meant to test your character's worthiness, so IMHO it's a personal test. If you are willing to pay someone else to do it for you, by all means, but in my book you're a cheater, for what it's worth.

Cheating is a violation of rules (written, social, moral, etc).
In this case the game should be only SSF.
Worthiness?
We are not Thors to prove our worthiness. I have already said that there is nothing difficult about Uber lab. It is just annoing. For example, I am almost 86 and still cannot find the last trial. Sure, I can buy it but why should I? Why am I artificially restricted from progressing in the game?




I cannot have a discussion with someone unwilling to listen. Have fun.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Severance2hBlade wrote:
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Orbaal wrote:
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Severance2hBlade wrote:


Here is an example of me been honest with GGG :

Labyrinth sucks beyond any recognition.
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This isnt how you convince anyone. This is just ranting and nothing more.



I'll admit the start of my post was rather vague and it did include rant. My target was not the Lab as a whole. I have no issue with people wanting to run the Lab to farm the rewards & compete for the ladders. Because this "content" is not enforced on me. But "gating" (sorry i'm using this word, i know people are tired of hearing it) my character's progression behind content like Labyrinth is what really bothers me.

It has nothing to do with skill or difficulty of the Lab. We have established long time ago how easy it is to get the first 6 points. And from a HC stand point of view, which i prefer to play, things are even more frustrating.

So when i said "sucks beyond any recognition" i only meant the part where someone who dislikes the Lab has to rush through the content to get the Ascendancy Points.


It's only gated if you make it so.

If you want A, you have to do B. That's the game, the rules, the stage, call it what you want. It is up to you, the player, to make your way to whatever goal you set within those rules. If you think ascendancy passives are character progression, to which many would agree, then you will have to run the Lab. Simple as that.

I do not understand what's so hard to understand here. You do not make the rules, that's the whole point of a game.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Severance2hBlade wrote:

So when i said "sucks beyond any recognition" i only meant the part where someone who dislikes the Lab has to rush through the content to get the Ascendancy Points.


Dont explain this to me :)
Tbh - I dont care either way

But you need to explain this to whoever you want to convince of whatever.
Ideally before you do drop a line like "this sucks", because afterwards no one is listening to you anymore and this means your behavior/wording is defeating the intended purpose.
I can certainly empathize with somebody disliking or hating lab. But, I'd rather GGG didn't remove labyrinth from the game. There was a lot of hard work that went into it and there are some who genuinely enjoy running it. Why mess up their fun?

As for prestige classes, it never made much sense to put them in there except perhaps as an inexpensive way to allow character customization (progression for all prestige classes follows the same process, so less programming resources are needed). Relocating prestige classes will hopefully happen in the future.
Now that prestige classes will finally leave lab in 4.0, will GGG get it right this time or will they find new ways to repeat old mistakes?
Turtledove needs to add this thread to the ever growing list.

And lol at the guy who said no one has came up with a solution to the rage when you dc in the throneroom and have to start over again.
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Camatoo wrote:
Really, the only hard part is nasty trap combinations (posion slow + whirling blades) izaro on steroids or some disconnect/crash of the game.

Again, find Dark Shrines. If you're lucky you'll find the Shrine that reduces trap damage by 50% and these things will become significantly less deadly.
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Labyrinth is garbage. It looks nice on paper but its pain to play it - depends on movement speed/skills.

All players I know who are running lab are doing it solo for profit - they make hyper speed build and voala, killing almost nothing, picking up keys, killing doggie and opening treasures along with enchant. Some do seervice.

Those who like lab - keep it for them, but for rest of us just make solo Izaro rooms only to fight him for ascendancy points without rewards/enchants = everybody is happy.
Last edited by Rexeos#3429 on Jun 14, 2019, 2:56:07 PM
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Cyzax wrote:
The number of players not liking the labyrinth is fairly small (but they're very vocal)...

Personally I belong to the other group. The lab is different content from the main game, which is always nice, and spending an hour to get the ascendancies is nothing...

If GGG removed it, the people wanting to bitch would just find something else to bitch about, and the people liking the lab would have less content to play...

Keep it!


The huge vast majority of players hate labyrinth. Don't believe me? I know this because most people I know don't like lab. That statement of mine is true regarding friends but the part where I'm claiming knowledge of people's thoughts that I've never talked to is full of crap but, no more nonsensical than your own assertion of claimed omnipotence, sorry.

Over 420 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1030 posters in support
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Turtledove wrote:
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Cyzax wrote:
The number of players not liking the labyrinth is fairly small (but they're very vocal)...

Personally I belong to the other group. The lab is different content from the main game, which is always nice, and spending an hour to get the ascendancies is nothing...

If GGG removed it, the people wanting to bitch would just find something else to bitch about, and the people liking the lab would have less content to play...

Keep it!


The huge vast majority of players hate labyrinth. Don't believe me? I know this because most people I know don't like lab. That statement of mine is true regarding friends but the part where I'm claiming knowledge of people's thoughts that I've never talked to is full of crap but, no more nonsensical than your own assertion of claimed omnipotence, sorry.

Over 420 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1030 posters in support
Yup lets just ignore the fact that hundreds of thousands of people play this game and state that 1030 people equal a "huge vast majority". Thank's as always Turtledove! They've already made the first 3 labs into a joke to please you guys, can you at least leave the last one for the people who actually like it?
Last edited by Telzen#2427 on Jun 15, 2019, 1:28:54 AM
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Telzen wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
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Cyzax wrote:
The number of players not liking the labyrinth is fairly small (but they're very vocal)...

Personally I belong to the other group. The lab is different content from the main game, which is always nice, and spending an hour to get the ascendancies is nothing...

If GGG removed it, the people wanting to bitch would just find something else to bitch about, and the people liking the lab would have less content to play...

Keep it!


The huge vast majority of players hate labyrinth. Don't believe me? I know this because most people I know don't like lab. That statement of mine is true regarding friends but the part where I'm claiming knowledge of people's thoughts that I've never talked to is full of crap but, no more nonsensical than your own assertion of claimed omnipotence, sorry.

Over 420 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1030 posters in support


Yup lets just ignore the fact that hundreds of thousands of people play this game and state that 1030 people equal a "huge vast majority". Thank's as always Turtledove! They've already made the first 3 labs into a joke to please you guys, can you at least leave the last one for the people who actually like it?


Yup let's just ignore the fact that hundreds of thousands of people playing this game is completely irrelevant to how many people have posted their opinion on lab in the Feedback and Suggestions forum.

Regarding your "huge vast majority" swipe, don't be silly. I never asserted that 1030 was a vast majority. I explicitly stated that my assertion about a vast majority was "full of crap" but, I guess you didn't read that part? Yup you just ignore what is written in posts that you respond to which seems like a strange way to respond to posts? If my post was long it might be more understandable but I wouldn't consider one short paragraph a long post though?

I agree with you that Labyrinth should best remain as is for enchants and other optional rewards.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!

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