Haven't really ever commented on lab, but I hate it.

This part of the conversation goes nowhere, what you just answered basically is irrelevant to the point that I was making.

I am talking in term of efficiency, maybe you are not, but I am.
And for people looking for efficiency, sure, not taking ascendancy classes is kinda stupid.
And in PoE Power and Efficiency are basically the same, if you have a freaking powerful build, it's an efficient build, let's not split hairs lol.

For others, can't say, but calling them stupid is just rude, and completely free.
PoE is but a game, anyone can look for whatever pleases him/her in it.

But I admit that this is going off topic, so maybe let's forget about it.

For min-maxing, not taking ascendancy would be kinda dumb, that we both agree on ^^.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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Fruz wrote:


If you have a source about that statement of Chris, I'd be curious to see it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwi6U7MojDQ Go to minute 39 and hear him talk for about a minute or so or read the spoiler. But i suggest everyone to hear Chris saying it. Note that this was when the labyrinth was implemented and game remained exactly the same and still he classifies ascendancies as NOT OPTIONAL.

Spoiler
The team is aware of the fact that it can be if you dont like the labyrinth having to do it three times is a bit of a chore, and if this was entirely side content with just the enchantments then it could just be a thing that if you dont want to do it you dont do it just like atziri or you know those kind of things entirely optional, BUT we have put ascendancy classes in there.... he then goes talking how a 3rd party site (reddit) is helping people to ascend...
Inundated with cockroaches, I am

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216 - labyrinth rework ideas/suggestions
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Regulator wrote:
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Fruz wrote:


If you have a source about that statement of Chris, I'd be curious to see it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwi6U7MojDQ Go to minute 39 and hear him talk for about a minute or so or read the spoiler. But i suggest everyone to hear Chris saying it. Note that this was when the labyrinth was implemented and game remained exactly the same and still he classifies ascendancies as NOT OPTIONAL.

Spoiler
The team is aware of the fact that it can be if you dont like the labyrinth having to do it three times is a bit of a chore, and if this was entirely side content with just the enchantments then it could just be a thing that if you dont want to do it you dont do it just like atziri or you know those kind of things entirely optional, BUT we have put ascendancy classes in there.... he then goes talking how a 3rd party site (reddit) is helping people to ascend...
No it doesnt lol, already debunked this, the fact that people are still trying to use it is hilarious. The best part is you included the entire statement which shows the actual context of the statement and not the cherry picked portion.

Dear lord the reading comprehension skills on this forum, i swear.
Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in!

Labyrinth salt farm miner.

"But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years.
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Fruz wrote:
This part of the conversation goes nowhere, what you just answered basically is irrelevant to the point that I was making.

I am talking in term of efficiency, maybe you are not, but I am.
And for people looking for efficiency, sure, not taking ascendancy classes is kinda stupid.
And in PoE Power and Efficiency are basically the same, if you have a freaking powerful build, it's an efficient build, let's not split hairs lol.

For others, can't say, but calling them stupid is just rude, and completely free.
PoE is but a game, anyone can look for whatever pleases him/her in it.

But I admit that this is going off topic, so maybe let's forget about it.

For min-maxing, not taking ascendancy would be kinda dumb, that we both agree on ^^.


I just don't get what we disagree on. When is it smart to not take an ascendacy class?
I'm a forum warrior, i was born to post, raised to defend my league. Now my post has been removed, chained and exiled by mods who Ban. Ban is my brother; i do not fear it. I see it in the eyes of men and beasts that i troll. It will take me to play the actual game when i am ready and i am not ready.
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Pyrokar wrote:
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Fruz wrote:
This part of the conversation goes nowhere, what you just answered basically is irrelevant to the point that I was making.

I am talking in term of efficiency, maybe you are not, but I am.
And for people looking for efficiency, sure, not taking ascendancy classes is kinda stupid.
And in PoE Power and Efficiency are basically the same, if you have a freaking powerful build, it's an efficient build, let's not split hairs lol.

For others, can't say, but calling them stupid is just rude, and completely free.
PoE is but a game, anyone can look for whatever pleases him/her in it.

But I admit that this is going off topic, so maybe let's forget about it.

For min-maxing, not taking ascendancy would be kinda dumb, that we both agree on ^^.


I just don't get what we disagree on. When is it smart to not take an ascendacy class?
Hes disagreeing with you acknowledging its optional yet continually trying to bait him into agreeing that

"If youre stupid you dont pick one but if youre smart you do, you want to be smart dont you ? Then it really isnt optional is it?"

Do you think people are retarded and cant see that thats why youre trying to imply with such statements ? By your definition youre one of those people because youre builds arent meta, therefore you yourself admit off your actions that its actually optional.

Elitism isnt required, efficiency isnt required. Both are optional points of view yet you continue to imply that anyone who isnt doing either is "stupid".
Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in!

Labyrinth salt farm miner.

"But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years.
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:
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Regulator wrote:
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Fruz wrote:


If you have a source about that statement of Chris, I'd be curious to see it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwi6U7MojDQ Go to minute 39 and hear him talk for about a minute or so or read the spoiler. But i suggest everyone to hear Chris saying it. Note that this was when the labyrinth was implemented and game remained exactly the same and still he classifies ascendancies as NOT OPTIONAL.

Spoiler
The team is aware of the fact that it can be if you dont like the labyrinth having to do it three times is a bit of a chore, and if this was entirely side content with just the enchantments then it could just be a thing that if you dont want to do it you dont do it just like atziri or you know those kind of things entirely optional, BUT we have put ascendancy classes in there.... he then goes talking how a 3rd party site (reddit) is helping people to ascend...
No it doesnt lol, already debunked this, the fact that people are still trying to use it is hilarious. The best part is you included the entire statement which shows the actual context of the statement and not the cherry picked portion.

Dear lord the reading comprehension skills on this forum, i swear.


Yes it does. You really didnt debunk anything, because this is a direct quote what chris thinks about the points and how they see them. You may ignore it, and spin it around all you want, but he clearly and directly stated that the points are a core part of the game. And patch notes just confirmed that.
Last edited by miljan#1261 on Jun 18, 2016, 3:27:09 PM
So what happens if you win this debate about 'optional' and everybody agrees ascendancy is mandatory and not optional? Then what, back to 'but frogger!' and the like? Winning one point doesn't mean you also win the half dozen more relevant points automatically.
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dickhole_mcghee wrote:
So what happens if you win this debate about 'optional' and everybody agrees ascendancy is mandatory and not optional? Then what, back to 'but frogger!' and the like? Winning one point doesn't mean you also win the half dozen more relevant points automatically.


In a way it does. Because some of the lab lovers that fight for I dont know what, try to defend the lab saying its optional. In posting several facts that its not optional content, as said by devs and patch notes, they lose the last "argument" they have in their defense, at lest the people that used that "argument".
Last edited by miljan#1261 on Jun 18, 2016, 4:13:05 PM
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dickhole_mcghee wrote:
So what happens if you win this debate about 'optional' and everybody agrees ascendancy is mandatory and not optional? Then what, back to 'but frogger!' and the like? Winning one point doesn't mean you also win the half dozen more relevant points automatically.

I don't know, my guess is people will go to the labhatemobil.
And then to the strip club.
Definitely strip club.

Nanananananananana LAB HATERS!
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Sorry, i just had to play the outro.
I'm a forum warrior, i was born to post, raised to defend my league. Now my post has been removed, chained and exiled by mods who Ban. Ban is my brother; i do not fear it. I see it in the eyes of men and beasts that i troll. It will take me to play the actual game when i am ready and i am not ready.
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:
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Regulator wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwi6U7MojDQ Go to minute 39 and hear him talk for about a minute or so or read the spoiler.
No it doesnt lol, already debunked this, the fact that people are still trying to use it is hilarious.


You mean the part where Chris explains that if the Labyrinth was side-content it would be optional like Atziri, but they put the ascendancy classes behind it
Spoiler
so it's not.
Extra reading comprehension points for filling in the spoiler.

Honestly, at this point it's hard to tell if you really believe what you're saying or are just trolling people.
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