Haven't really ever commented on lab, but I hate it.

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sidtherat wrote:

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Jojas wrote:

And some people really can't get the hang of it, no matter what. They just can't. They get confused by traps moving all over the place, they feel too pressured by the rogue-like aspect, whatever. Not everything is a learning matter, sometimes you just hit your limit.

and why these people should be rewarded? they do not achieve 'results'. they might put the 'effort' but.. this is - as brutal as it is - irrelevant. both here and in real life.

we make a challenging content with rewards and then give the rewards to everybody? whats the point?

and 'the limit' you talk about is frequently higher than a person in question wants to admit - but it takes some effort to raise it. some societies created an interesting way of solving problems: whining until the problem is gone. it does not work this way. people who attempt that never get very far.

"I do whine because I want to win, and I'm not happy about not winning, and I am a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win", Donald Trump

I'm not saying they should be rewarded. I'm saying it's counterproductive and pointless to bash them.
There are many good points to be made in favour of the lab, why not make them? And if that doesn't convince, just leave the thread.

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Jojas wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

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Jojas wrote:

And some people really can't get the hang of it, no matter what. They just can't. They get confused by traps moving all over the place, they feel too pressured by the rogue-like aspect, whatever. Not everything is a learning matter, sometimes you just hit your limit.

and why these people should be rewarded? they do not achieve 'results'. they might put the 'effort' but.. this is - as brutal as it is - irrelevant. both here and in real life.

we make a challenging content with rewards and then give the rewards to everybody? whats the point?

and 'the limit' you talk about is frequently higher than a person in question wants to admit - but it takes some effort to raise it. some societies created an interesting way of solving problems: whining until the problem is gone. it does not work this way. people who attempt that never get very far.

"I do whine because I want to win, and I'm not happy about not winning, and I am a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win", Donald Trump

I'm not saying they should be rewarded. I'm saying it's counterproductive and pointless to bash them.
There are many good points to be made in favour of the lab, why not make them? And if that doesn't convince, just leave the thread.

Hes not bashing though, hes simply stating the truth of the matter which is just that. Whining gets you no where, posting constructive, well thought out feedback does.

I havent seen any well thought out, constructive posts looking at post sides of the arguments ever, the reason why is because the side of hating the labyrinth knows if they address the facts from the opposite side, they see that their point of argument is suddenly gone. Why ? Because their point of argument is entirely based on an opinion and nothing more.

The only time the Labyrinth hate posts was constructive was the one dealing with trials. They gave the math on it, they gave the facts, they address both points of view and it was actually taken seriously by GGG. They then proceeded to change the game because of it, because it isnt reasonable that people who reroll or own multiple characters should have to potentially run the trials hundreds of times.

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Jojas wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

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Jojas wrote:

And some people really can't get the hang of it, no matter what. They just can't. They get confused by traps moving all over the place, they feel too pressured by the rogue-like aspect, whatever. Not everything is a learning matter, sometimes you just hit your limit.

and why these people should be rewarded? they do not achieve 'results'. they might put the 'effort' but.. this is - as brutal as it is - irrelevant. both here and in real life.

we make a challenging content with rewards and then give the rewards to everybody? whats the point?

and 'the limit' you talk about is frequently higher than a person in question wants to admit - but it takes some effort to raise it. some societies created an interesting way of solving problems: whining until the problem is gone. it does not work this way. people who attempt that never get very far.

"I do whine because I want to win, and I'm not happy about not winning, and I am a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win", Donald Trump

I'm not saying they should be rewarded. I'm saying it's counterproductive and pointless to bash them.
There are many good points to be made in favour of the lab, why not make them? And if that doesn't convince, just leave the thread.

where do i bash people who are - for whatever reasons - unable to complete the lab despite trying and doing their best? they are not in this thread

i point out the 'get out of it easy' generation - that when facet with an issue will wait until its gone. they 'do not like it' - and they think that it is THE reason to remove it. this is childish - simple as that.

they expect to be capable of completing it just because 'theyve tried once' or their build 'facerols already'. just read what these guys say - 'it is unfair that i die to traps in normal on a lvl90 character' (sunshine, if you die to traps then just f.. get better. slow down, think for once, let your right-click one-screen prowess rest for a while). they enter into pages long threads (when they talk mostly with eachother - same names appear there, same few names for pages and pages) - time taken to write all these posts is enough to ascend SEVERAL characters. SEVERAL of them - including time to understand trap mechanics and boss mechanic.

instead they just waste their time achieving nothing


btw. i do not know who Donald Trump is so i might miss the joke

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

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I havent seen any well thought out, constructive posts looking at post sides of the arguments ever, the reason why is because the side of hating the labyrinth knows if they address the facts from the opposite side, they see that their point of argument is suddenly gone. Why ? Because their point of argument is entirely based on an opinion and nothing more.

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They seem to migrate from thread to thread now to make this less obvious .

Adaptation!

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sidtherat wrote:

btw. i do not know who Donald Trump is so i might miss the joke

You're kidding! The Trump is running on the Republican side for becoming the next President of the United States. According to him and his cult like followers he will "make America great again".

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i point out the 'get out of it easy' generation - that when facet with an issue will wait until its gone. they 'do not like it' - and they think that it is THE reason to remove it. this is childish - simple as that.

I don't think it's childish, I think it's natural. It becomes childish when you KNOW that you are in a minority and still insist on things to change in your favour. But nobody knows anything, it's all anecdotal.

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

Here's the facts:

The bully brigade's game is affected in exactly NO way by having an equally or more challenging alternate option for players to take to receive their ascensions.

All we're dealing with in this dispute is that there are roughly 5 or 6 individuals who THRIVE upon the misery of others. It pleases them to giddiness that others dislike the frogger gameplay. To have a different option would mean a sadness for them. It would mean an end to their happiness.

It's all explained here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

oh WOW.
That is obviously the reason, like ... it has to be.
Let me link another wikipedia article for you : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutory_delusion

Sorry for stating another obvious thing but :
Having another more challenging way ( so nothing one can faceroll let's say ) would obviously need some time from GGG to be implemented. If ( as I and other people do believe, including GGG apparently ) whining people are such a small minority, it would then not be worth it.

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Jojas wrote:

"I do whine because I want to win, and I'm not happy about not winning, and I am a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win", Donald Trump

Knowing that he said this makes me like him even less lol.
Believing that whining is the good way to solve problem is ... I would go for pathetic honestly.
We could say that it is childish in the way that it is the very first think that babies do to try to influence their parent, but it is most likely because that is the very first power that they have, way before being able to communicate easily.
There is a difference with discussing and whining, maybe sometimes the limit is hard to find, but those are definitely two different things.

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I was answering a quote ( you know, I quoted, and then I bolded the part that I was refering to ).
You seem to just take it out of the context and try to make me say something that I didn't.
Please don't.
Please list those things tho.

It's too many to list so i am gonna say the most obvious one. You can't choose another character's starting point as scion without her ascendancy.
About the context thing, you did say that, what did i misunderstand?

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Pyrokar wrote:

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I was answering a quote ( you know, I quoted, and then I bolded the part that I was refering to ).
You seem to just take it out of the context and try to make me say something that I didn't.
Please don't.
Please list those things tho.

It's too many to list so i am gonna say the most obvious one. You can't choose another characters starting point as scion without her ascendancy.
About the context thing, you did say that, what did i misunderstand?

There is nothing about the content in PoE that you cannot do/beat without this extra starting point.
If you cannot find ascendancy elements that you cannot beat the content without, then it's not really relevant to the "optional or not" argument.
You apparently misunderstood the fact that, I was just giving a counter example, answering to the bolded part that I was mentioning.