OP mechanics: cast on crit, vaal pact, surgeon flasks [2 boss, vuln Vaal Temple DEATHLESS]

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

"Hey friend, can you help me prove this guy wrong and let me make a video of you trading this much currency for my item"

Because we havent seen this before lmao.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Johnsonman07

Even if it is a real trade, congrats on finding someone dumb enough to buy it. As i said before, it can be crafted for under 5 ex, the fact that you "replaced" it for 6 ex just proves my point, soo thanks for that, still not worth 80ex.

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Man this guy doesn't even know what his gear is worth yet he tries to argue what the fuck

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Naw let him think his gear is worth something It's more amazing that way.

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I like how you think 85 ex is worth '' a lot '' in the standard economy bahaha

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

"Hey friend, can you help me prove this guy wrong and let me make a video of you trading this much currency for my item"

Because we havent seen this before lmao.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Johnsonman07

Even if it is a real trade, congrats on finding someone dumb enough to buy it. As i said before, it can be crafted for under 5 ex, the fact that you "replaced" it for 6 ex just proves my point, soo thanks for that, still not worth 80ex.

It's kind of interesting to observe the mental gymnastics you're willing to perform. Anyways, if two parties who are both well informed trade something for 85ex, it's more likely than not worth 85ex. You simply cannot reasonably keep arguing that the ring wasn't ever worth 80+ ex.

Also you cannot alt elreon diamond rings, there are things like supply, time, and competition over that supply to consider too. How have you factored those in to your 5ex estimate? (I don't actually care but you should consider it as a mental exercise).

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Man this guy doesn't even know what his gear is worth yet he tries to argue what the fuck

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Naw let him think his gear is worth something It's more amazing that way.

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I like how you think 85 ex is worth '' a lot '' in the standard economy bahaha

It seems you're happy arguing with (and contradicting) yourself, so keep going if you like. I'll just summarize so you can see where the next step of your argument should be. I certainly can't tell, because it seems divorced from logic.

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Sorry for this derail to everyone who was actually responding to OP. For some reason it gets under my skin when people call me a liar, and then refuse to acknowledge evidence.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Do core deathless. Build is strong no doubt but has weaknesses like all builds.

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Do core deathless. Build is strong no doubt but has weaknesses like all builds.

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Boem wrote:

Nait is correct though.

Efficiency does not always equal fun. For a part of the player-base this holds true, it would be unwise to assume it to be true for everybody.

I enjoy my quirky builds for example, knowing full well they are inefficient at times, on the other hand, they do keep me in the game longer then a highly efficient build most of the times.

And if people did not go of the given "efficiency ubber alles" path, they would not discover new meta's and mechanical abuses/synergy's.

Peace,

-Boem-

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MatrixFactor wrote:

Video of these mechanics in action fighting a double boss, vulnerability, -max vaal temple boss.

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For the past two months I believe I've been playing the best build in poe. A cast on crit discharger. Not the squishy kind that can't level past 90, but one with 9k EHP, which I easily leveled to 100 with, and killed all the unique bosses in poe with. I believe unless the mechanics I'm highlighting are quickly reigned in, the metagame will become stale as people flock to them. I personally am getting bored because almost any build I try whose gear isn't 5x as expensive as mine will be drastically weaker. The only exception I can think of is Anapoe's incinerator, but incinerate is over powered as well.

Cast on Crit: The wand/bow-based cast on crit stuff is nice, but it's not overpowered to compared to self-cast. The main problem is discharge. When CoC is combined with cyclone and discharge, the synergy becomes too strong. Cyclone acts as a charge generator, movement ability, and casting ability all in one. And we can use another spell at the same time as discharge. As a result the damage becomes strong. Compared to self-casting we're doing 3-4 as many things at the same time. The efficieny is incredible. To reign Cast on Crit in, it needs to be brought back to similar efficieny as self-cast discharge. Make it have 30-40% less damage. Or give it a 100-200ms cooldown. Or just remove the gem. Another problematic item here is voll's devotion but I don't know how to handle it.

Vaal Pact: life regen is extremely over rated, as is blood rage. 20% more damage and 20% atk speed is just 50-60% increased damage if you have 200% inc on your tree. 10% life regen won't save you from 1shots, but instant leech will. If you're dying to non-1shots, you need to work on your reaction time and game sense. Furthermore, leech is capped at 20%/sec, and you have to spend tons of points to make it go faster (or gear slots...), whereas vaal pact is 1 point and you get full leech. I'd suggest making vaal pact 40-60% effectiveness in order to make acuities and regular leech more reasonable alternatives.

Surgeon Flasks: My tree and gear didn't get any mitigation. Rather I just speced life, energy shield, and damage. All my mitigation came through surgeon flasks. I was able to get 88 allres, and 10k armor for no investment. This made most map bosses factankable, and was enough defense/mitigation to do core malachai close to deathless. Since these flasks work with crit, effectively I get defense by getting damage. Just remove surgeon flasks already, everyone knows they're overpowered, and the double dipping of damage as defense makes building too easy.