OP mechanics: cast on crit, vaal pact, surgeon flasks [2 boss, vuln Vaal Temple DEATHLESS]

Surgeons are fine, if there were instant surgeons flasks i might agree but there arent.

Instant Leech is somewhat broken but youre not going to get enough leech as CI VP these days as Spell Caster, its only overpowered for melee because easy access to large amounts of leech and deal significantly higher damage than self cast spells.

Cast on Crit is meh. Its fun to play once in a while but as a build it certainly isnt the strongest. Cast on Crit is an example of a good, fun to play build if anything.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Surgeons are fine, if there were instant surgeons flasks i might agree but there arent.

Instant Leech is somewhat broken but youre not going to get enough leech as CI VP these days as Spell Caster, its only overpowered for melee because easy access to large amounts of leech and deal significantly higher damage than self cast spells.

Cast on Crit is meh. Its fun to play once in a while but as a build it certainly isnt the strongest. Cast on Crit is an example of a good, fun to play build if anything.

You ignored the arguments I presented, and my experience of being completely OP by combining these mechanics. The only thing I can respond to is about CI VP spellcaster. First of all, CI doesn't have anything to do with it, and second of all yes you can get large amounts of leech. Go see my build if you don't believe it.

Nothing special here, stuff like this can't be truly abused outside of standard or unless you invest significant money into it.

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goetzjam wrote:

Nothing special here, stuff like this can't be truly abused outside of standard or unless you invest significant money into it.

I started in warbands, and all the gear I use was acquired in warbands. Poedan79 is using my build in 1mhc to attempt uber atziri. Another informed post, great job.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Nothing special here, stuff like this can't be truly abused outside of standard or unless you invest significant money into it.

I started in warbands, and all the gear I use was acquired in warbands. Poedan79 is using my build in 1mhc to attempt uber atziri. Another informed post, great job.

O shit hes attempting to do uber atziri with your build, better nerf the fuck out of it, its not like other builds which can do uber atziri.

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goetzjam wrote:

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Nothing special here, stuff like this can't be truly abused outside of standard or unless you invest significant money into it.

I started in warbands, and all the gear I use was acquired in warbands. Poedan79 is using my build in 1mhc to attempt uber atziri. Another informed post, great job.

O shit hes attempting to do uber atziri with your build, better nerf the fuck out of it, its not like other builds which can do uber atziri.

One Month Hard Core.

One Month = it's easy to gear.

Hard Core = it's strong.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

One Month = it's easy to gear.

Hard Core = it's strong.

Your special aren't you?


"easy to gear" Please let me know how much I can buy the gear from you in standard for.

Hardcore, has he done it yet?

You do realize that other builds are able to do uber atziri and are stronger in other various ways? Its not like your build is anything unqiue or original it just utilizes a method that was shown long ago to keep flask uptime, yet for the majority of the game is fairly pointless?


If you want to show how OP this build is show me with the 81 Vaal Temple Map or better yet core map.


You do realize that most players that dedicate themselves to a good amount of playing complete the gearing of characters in 2-3 weeks or less? This has only gotten easier over time.


That is all.

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goetzjam wrote:

do realize that other builds are able to do uber atziri and are stronger in other various ways? Its not like your build is anything unqiue or original it just utilizes a method that was shown long ago to keep flask uptime, yet for the majority of the game is fairly pointless?


If you want to show how OP this build is show me with the 81 Vaal Temple Map or better yet core map.


You do realize that most players that dedicate themselves to a good amount of playing complete the gearing of characters in 2-3 weeks or less? This has only gotten easier over time.


That is all.

Uber atziri in 1mhc. Show me those builds dude...

My point is that I can clear as fast as loath banana guys for 40ex invested. My gear is expensive because I know its true value, but I bought it extremely underpriced because most people don't.



Also there are vods of me doing 82 core in my thread. If you have a vaal temple, i'm happy to do boss kill service in it for you, 12c fee.

It's the wide consensus that the particular broken flask prefix is "seething," (and to a lesser degree " bubbling" and "panicked") and not "surgeon's." Instant flasks are like a less-extreme logout macro.

True, Surgeon's flasks offer a strong incentive for crit that many other builds don't quite see. But it's hardly a broken means to maintain flask uptime; a GOOD build can maintain it even without that prefix.

Also, Vaal Pact isn't particularly broken at all. The changes to leech hurt it, since it's no longer required to get multi-target leech. (as pre-2.0, it was either run VP or use Atziri's Acuity) The move was good from a balance perspective, though now it's merely what makes leeching viable on a shadow; it's pretty much required because the shadow otherwise got VERY little love in the leeching department. (contrast the duelist, who now has more than he knows what to do with)

I don't really see the need to nerf... It's not like everyone is running CoC discharger after all (though this could be due in part to the performance of the skill graphics-wise).

PLEASE leave the nerf-stick be for now. Bring out the buff to other, less used skills (dominating blow could use some love <3).