OP mechanics: cast on crit, vaal pact, surgeon flasks [2 boss, vuln Vaal Temple DEATHLESS]

What about having shield and to be dps?
Isnt it unbalanced that some guys using legacy* facebreaker can go insane dps? yet they can use a shield to block and raise their defenses?????

Like, fuck those guys using two hand weapons and those players who didnt get any legendaries before the patch and cant be insanely bloody rich.

GGG should take a serious look into that...

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AxxiusEQ wrote:

Yes, let's nerf it now that you have enjoyed it, got bored and want to move on. F everybody else!

Rofl, these mechanics are old as fuck. Many people before said that this shit has to go. Surgeon flasks are just laughable op and 99% of the problem. But again.... old news!

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666lol666 wrote:

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AxxiusEQ wrote:

Yes, let's nerf it now that you have enjoyed it, got bored and want to move on. F everybody else!

Rofl, these mechanics are old as fuck. Many people before said that this shit has to go. Surgeon flasks are just laughable op and 99% of the problem. But again.... old news!

Can you tell me the difference of an active surgeons flask and an active non surgeons flask?

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MatrixFactor wrote:

Multimoded Vagan dagger = 4ex, Devo 20ex depending on how early you buy the cards, 5L volls 1ex-6L voll 15ex, rest of gear 5-10ex. 26-45ex.

26ex is around how much you need to gear up SRS or PA with a 6L +3 to make it uber viable.

And if there's a 100-viable build with better clearspeed than coc discharge and significantly cheaper than 40ex, let's see it. If you mention SRS or Scold VMS I'm going to laugh.

Cyclone, incinerate. Get 2-5 ex worth of stuff and go. Then later on you buy your disfavour, sure, and perhaps 6-link by hand, but only cause you have the luxury. Just because you've played a few builds (CoC, SRS, VMS), it doesn't make those builds the only possible approach.

Heck, totems.

BTW my +3 bow for PA cost me 2 ex and I 5-linked it by hand. Everything else, including an empower I corrupted myself to 4, cost chaos; a reasonable amount of chaos (perhaps 2 ex worth in current rates?) because I wanted as close to max life as possible. And I had the Kaoms from another character, though it's a 'nice to have' in any case. I don't need a 6l, I have 10,607 life and still rising, and wth does uber have to do with getting to 100?

(and I've never seriously played SRS, just dabbled, don't like it at all)

That was my point in the previous post. Yes, your clear speed against packs is faster than most builds, but then you spend ages spamming on anything with hp whereas other builds clear it all in one pass. That's not to say it isn't strong, but like I said I don't spam lots of flasks before every pack with most things I play, irrespective of map level, and I thank my future lack of RSI for that.

PS if you think about the list of things we've both mentioned, it's every 'meta' build. Well, other than CoC.

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davidnn5 wrote:

Cyclone, incinerate. Get 2-5 ex worth of stuff and go. Then later on you buy your disfavour, sure, and perhaps 6-link by hand, but only cause you have the luxury. Just because you've played a few builds (CoC, SRS, VMS), it doesn't make those builds the only possible approach.

Your original claim was that there were cheaper builds that can get L100 with better single target damage. Literally the only build that satisfies these conditions is SRS. But SRS is more gimmicky against bosses and uber, and has worse clearspeed.

Cyclone has worse single target, and much worse overall clearspeed. They struggle with uber trio. It might have similar or slightly better survivability. It's not cheaper because good 2handers are expensive. And for 5ex you can clear faster with coc discharge than you can with cyclone anyways.

Incinerate takes comparable investment to be comparable to CoC (anapoe's incinerate build). Without large investment it's going to be relatively weak. Also to get better single target damage than what I have it needs scolds + VMS. Otherwise it's comparable at best. Anyways we know incinerate is considered "silly" by GGG, so these mechanics should also be "silly."

PA doesn't have the single target damage or clearspeed of CoC. I don't know why you're even bringing that into the picture. PA is a good solo build, that's it.

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Heck, totems.

BTW my +3 bow for PA cost me 2 ex and I 5-linked it by hand. Everything else, including an empower I corrupted myself to 4, cost chaos; a reasonable amount of chaos (perhaps 2 ex worth in current rates?) because I wanted as close to max life as possible. And I had the Kaoms from another character. I don't need a 6l, I have 10,607 life and still rising, and wth does uber have to do with getting to 100?

(and I've never seriously played SRS, just dabbled, don't like it at all)

That was my point in the previous post. Yes, your clear speed against packs is faster than most builds, but then you spend ages spamming on anything with hp whereas other builds clear it all in one pass. That's not to say it isn't strong, but like I said I don't spam lots of flasks before every pack with most things I play, irrespective of map level, and I thank my future lack of RSI for that.

PS if you think about the list of things we've both mentioned, it's every 'meta' build. Well, other than CoC.

Uber is a benchmark of single target damage. If a build has better single target damage than CoC discharge and can hit L100 (good survivability), it should also be able to do uber. Also can I buy your L4 empower for 50chaos?

Yeah surgeon flasks are pretty broken especially with trigger spells and GGG doesn't seem to want to do anything about them.

Voll's Devotion is also kinda broken which wasn't a problem before Zana and with smaller economies, now it's relatively easy to get one with a build that can abuse it.

No, but you can buy an empower at level 1 and level it up and corrupt like I did ;P I'd be xping just fine, if a bit slower with one of my level 3s. Sometimes enough damage is good enough; CoC doesn't lend itself as well to that 'yeah good enough let's get shitloads of life' approach.

Uber is more of a benchmark of dodging skills and good ping imo. There are people and builds who've made it to level 100 quite easily but couldn't do Uber. And there are mjolner builds that kill uber that are pretty slow and annoying to xp with despite their wacky defenses.

Increase molten strike AoE!

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goetzjam wrote:

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666lol666 wrote:

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AxxiusEQ wrote:

Yes, let's nerf it now that you have enjoyed it, got bored and want to move on. F everybody else!

Rofl, these mechanics are old as fuck. Many people before said that this shit has to go. Surgeon flasks are just laughable op and 99% of the problem. But again.... old news!

Can you tell me the difference of an active surgeons flask and an active non surgeons flask?

Sorry but this question is (even compared to the low standard in this forum) too meeeeh to get an answer.

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666lol666 wrote:

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Can you tell me the difference of an active surgeons flask and an active non surgeons flask?

Sorry but this question is (even compared to the low standard in this forum) too meeeeh to get an answer.

Yeah because you can't answer it and still argue your point. Such a shame that this is what it comes down to knowingly ignoring points that make your whole argument pointless.

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goetzjam wrote:

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666lol666 wrote:

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Can you tell me the difference of an active surgeons flask and an active non surgeons flask?

Sorry but this question is (even compared to the low standard in this forum) too meeeeh to get an answer.

Yeah because you can't answer it and still argue your point. Such a shame that this is what it comes down to knowingly ignoring points that make your whole argument pointless.

For drawn-out boss fights you can't use regular flasks for the whole fight. As a result you can't rely on them for bosses, rather only for dangerous mobs in maps. However surgeon flasks can always be relied on to be up, so you can get all of your defense from these flasks.