...::: SFL Poll results and conclusions :::...

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If you people took any time whatsoever in really thinking about why people want a SFL then maybe you would realize that improved trading does absolutely nothing to fix any of the complaints.

If you truly believe the current economic state of the game has no impact on your desire to request SFL, then you are delusional, i am sorry.

The fact's are, GGG does not want it, and have repeatedly stated so. My opinion is irrelevant to this subject for it is not my decision to make. The people you had to convince have already given you an answer.

I can deduct some things from this response.

A. They are well aware of the desire for SFL, but have more data then you available and see a reason not to implement it.
B. They are confident a SFL is not required in order to fix the core of the problem, and have other means of fixing the current state.
C. The game was not designed to be played SF but involved an economy from the get go, fine tuning this economy will take time.

Also this poll means nothing to me, like suggested a couple of times it is utterly biased and therefore invalid. I would rather trust GGG's data then a forum poll.
I would also rather trust the creator's of the game to formulate a solution they deem fit, and has long term promise of fixing the core issue.

p.s : i rarely trade, like seriously maybe 1 item every month would come close to my trading actions. I have a fuckton of orbs just sitting in my stash since i also don't use them on gear for upgrades. And still i am able to get to merciless act 3 just fine, without trading and without spending orbs. Imagine the collected orbs of 24 chars who ran from normal difficulty to cruel act 3 minimum. That's my stash, and i rarely touch it when i PLAY the game.

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iamstryker wrote:

The thread never said do you want more loot? It said do you want a self found league. Two completely different things.

Interesting what will be the result if SFL has no increased drop rate compare to current league.
I personally voted "D" because I didn't see any different between SFL and playing current league plus PA & No Trade.

With increased drop rate, well yep that's quite another thing.

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People don't know what they really want. Kids want candy for breakfast. Adults know better and don't give it to them. Making stuff easier to find also makes it worthless. Stuff will lose it's value and people will wonder where the fun went. They'll blame it on something else, because no one blames their own choices... just like people blame "drop rates" for messing up the game when it was their trading that caused the problem.

I hope GGG pulls up it's man-pants (or lack thereof) and tells the community exactly why making the game easier will not make the game more fun.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

People don't know what they really want. Kids want candy for breakfast. Adults know better and don't give it to them. Making stuff easier to find also makes it worthless. Stuff will lose it's value and people will wonder where the fun went. They'll blame it on something else, because no one blames their own choices... just like people blame "drop rates" for messing up the game when it was their trading that caused the problem.

I hope GGG pulls up it's man-pants (or lack thereof) and tells the community exactly why making the game easier will not make the game more fun.

inb4 Jay Wilson reference how he thought he knows what's fun and the players don't.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

and what? Your a bad noob because you like to trade and flip items?

It really is like I went back in time. The people against a good idea with good intentions still say the most retarded stereotypical BS over and over again.

I disagree with Scrotie but at least he puts thought into his posts other than "hurr durr you just want more lootz and and easier game durrrrr"

No need to get mad. I just stated a fact, the thread was about a SFL with increased drop rates. So everyone who voted yes wants increased drop rates.

I know what you were saying. That people only voted because they want more loot which is such a stupid thing to say. If I wanted more loot I would want to stay where I am and flip items. Thats where the loot is, not playing in a league where trading is disabled and I only get what drops or I craft myself.

The thread never said do you want more loot? It said do you want a self found league. Two completely different things.

There was a guy in that thread who said he wants a 5000%(!) increased drop rate. Nuff said.

Hmm, the poll provides an interesting look but it does not provide a conclusive outlook. After all, the only ones who voted are those who browse or lurk the forums.

Another couple of views or thought processes to question are, what is GGG trying to deliver? Why has Diablo 3 drastically changed their drop system and rates?

Initially, I felt that GGG was trying to retain a lot of the desired aspects of what Diablo 2 gave us (or at least, gave me). Sure we grind to find gear, but time-to-time we get really happy finding that one awesome drop. Will I become desensitized from this experience?

Also, by giving us what we want, we will be happy for a short time that there are better rates for good gear. But what if this becomes normal and having the 'max roll' items become the new desired item, is there going to be another petition for even higher rates so that everyone gets access to the best of the best gear?

Another thing, so yes I have all my gear now. Now that I can blast through all the content, what now? I feel that the majority of people who want this kind of server will also get bored of the game faster and stop playing the game.

I say that this type of server should be on one of those event runs at best, not a permanent league. Anything gained in it will be deleted prior to transferring into the standard league.

Just want to point out that I've seen this thread about a dozen times. I check the forums before/during/after work, and for the whole time that the poll thread was up, I saw it.

However, I have no interest in a Self Found League and couldn't be bothered to vote on the thread despite reading it many times. You may think your results are indicative. I think they're an indicator most people who could be bothered to reply to the thread wanted a Self Found League and in no ways shows an accurate reflection of the general populations feelings on the matter.

I wouldn't care if it did... games are best designed by giving people what they want.

When I play poker, I want to get the best hand... every time. It would be a crappy game if I did, and no one would want to play with me. Giving in to the requests of players when you know it's not in their best interest is a sign of desperation. When they do, I'll know it's time to look for a better game.

Mind you... I play this game strictly self-found. I don't trade. I don't Multi. I find crafting useful and enjoyable. I don't compare myself to the masses that MP and Trade. I don't feel like I'm missing out on stuff just because I haven't made or found a 6L yet or found of of the top ten items in the game. I feel fine, thank you very much.

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Morgoth2356 wrote:

Sorry, but these small numbers mean nothing. And there won't be a SFL anyway.

It means three times as many people support the idea of SFL than oppose it.

I can deduct some things from this response.

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A. They are well aware of the desire for SFL, but have more data then you available and see a reason not to implement it.
B. They are confident a SFL is not required in order to fix the core of the problem, and have other means of fixing the current state.
C. The game was not designed to be played SF but involved an economy from the get go, fine tuning this economy will take time.

D. They underestimated how many people are interested.
E. They made a bad decision, and people are petitioning them to let them know it.