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" bluefalcon74 wrote: " Malone wrote: 1) GGG already said no 2) you can already play self found if you want 3) no need to split more the community 4) most of people asking for SFL would like to have better drop rate and so on, meaning an easy mode. Maybe the wrong game for them. 5) Obiwan 1. No, they didn't. They said "probably not." We're asking them to reconsider. And as Wittgenstein has pointed out already, they've made other "promises" and changed their minds. 2. We already do. We want a league with either better drop rates to offset the absence of trading, or change the success rates of orbs that drop already to offset the absence of trading. 3. Self found players are usually solo as well. They're not involved in the economy and they won't be missed. If you're truly worried about dividing the community then ask GGG to dismantle Nemesis, Domination, and Hardcore first. 4. You're the only one who thinks this would be "easy mode", and I'll bet you don't get past Act 1 without trading for godly gear to support your niche build. Try playing self-found where all you equip is what you can craft or find. Easy mode my ass. 5. Mr. Spock 1. yes they did. It was explicitly said they would rather fix solo issues in the base game rather than making your own league with special rules(this is were the huge bump in making 4 and 5 links came from) 2. It does makes the game easier seeing as you already play self found an increase in drop rate would definitely make the game easier than it already is for those who dont trade, I mean that is the whole point right? Its to hard to play self found now, if it wasn't you wouldn't be asking for your own league to begin with This really cant be argued it just is what it is. 4. many people already play self found, including me and have never had any issues getting characters to end game. If you are being serious you are just bad. 5. Captain Picard. Last edited by derbefrier#6652 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:17:09 AM	Posted by derbefrier#6652 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:13:23 AM Quote this Post
" Shagsbeard wrote: Either of these two will lower the "worth" of the very item you see now as desirable. YOU WOULD STILL WANT WHAT YOU CAN'T HAVE. It would just a be a new level of "can't". You mean like "now I want a 7 link?" Uhhh... you do know that those don't exist, right? And, people are wanting certain gear to support their builds, that doesn't change because you're now able to craft it. Spend less time on the forums and more time playing the game as these are things even newbs know. It's not about wanting a shiiny toy because your neighbor has one. Self-fund players tend to not give much time into what others are doing. Regardless, if making the game "easier" is what's fun to someone, what business is it of yours? How are you losing out in all this?	Posted by bluefalcon74#6991 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:16:21 AM Quote this Post
" Malone wrote: 1) GGG already said no 2) you can already play self found if you want 3) no need to split more the community 4) most of people asking for SFL would like to have better drop rate and so on, meaning an easy mode. Maybe the wrong game for them. 5) Obiwan In regards to #4 easy mode is trading by far. A SFL could more easily be balanced to be both much harder than the rewards currently offered for trade/rmt and easier than current self found/crafting than trying to balance that through an entire economy. Last edited by GeorgAnatoly#4189 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:19:10 AM	Posted by GeorgAnatoly#4189 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:17:35 AM Quote this Post
" Shagsbeard wrote: Players who play solo/self found who "want to craft" can. They just can't craft the top of the line gear that you see people who trade for resources produce. That's because it consumes resources to craft. So... your either suggesting that resources be increased, or costs be lowered. Either of these two will lower the "worth" of the very item you see now as desirable. YOU WOULD STILL WANT WHAT YOU CAN'T HAVE. It would just a be a new level of "can't". That's not exactly accurate or at least in my case. I don't need to craft high end stuff but I want to be able to use a specific build that i have in mind. I find that crafting fails even there. So I'm not talking about 6L and so on, I'm quite aware that you can play the game without 6L's but the other night I wanted to get some colours and a 5L on a chest piece and couldn't get the colours so now that build is shelved because I no longer have the orbs. Now I'm not going to go on and on about this because I don't see a easy solution to this problem because its in the design. I have moved on to other things, I just have a keen interest in this game because its the shit in all other departments.	Posted by OssanTensa#0638 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:18:49 AM Quote this Post
" GeorgAnatoly wrote: " Malone wrote: 1) GGG already said no 2) you can already play self found if you want 3) no need to split more the community 4) most of people asking for SFL would like to have better drop rate and so on, meaning an easy mode. Maybe the wrong game for them. 5) Obiwan In regards to #4 easy mode is trading by far. A SFL could more easily be balanced to be both much harder than the rewards currently offered for trade/rmt and easier than current self found/crafting than trying to balance that through an entire economy. Yea this as well, Ive found trading very easy and I've only used the trade channel.	Posted by OssanTensa#0638 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:20:12 AM Quote this Post
Nice, this topics are always very active. Keep it up people. They can fix the problem we have in few ways, is it from making progression based crafting, making new SFL leagues without a economy, new items that are bound to account and used for different type of crafting, or some other way. But they really need to fix this horrible self found experience.	Posted by miljan#1261 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:25:16 AM Quote this Post
" derbefrier wrote: 2. It does makes the game easier seeing as you already play self found an increase in drop rate would definitely make the game easier than it already is for those who dont trade, I mean that is the whole point right? Its to hard to play self found now, if it wasn't you wouldn't be asking for your own league to begin with This really cant be argued it just is what it is. So "easier" in his case would be "same as everybody else" and you try to placing the blame on him because he possibly wants that? :) You're great. For the 1000 time; we don't want game to be easy, only custom tailored better =/= tedious. IGN STD Ajax_Deadeye\| Nathaniel_Corwin\| Itane_Shira\| Tetra_Mayani\| Arkanis_Gath [Build] TK's CoC Crit Shadow aka THE WELDER /view-thread/787487 [Shop] TK's Adventurers Pawnshop /view-thread/570071	Posted by Thorien_Kell#5909 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:25:59 AM Quote this Post
I'm not having a "horrible self found experience". I enjoy it. I've been playing games like this since before we could play on monitors (they weren't available) and we had to print on paper the outcomes of each move or attack. It isn't that the experience is horrible... it's that you're not enjoying it. That's on you... not on the game.	Posted by Shagsbeard#3964 on Dec 6, 2013, 8:37:30 AM Quote this Post
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