...::: SFL Poll results and conclusions :::...

Think of the poor people of Timbuktu!

(Just GoogleEarthed Timbuktu... what a shithole.)

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bluefalcon74 wrote:

2. We already do. We want a league with either better drop rates to offset the absence of trading, or change the success rates of orbs that drop already to offset the absence of trading.

Again as I still didn't see any different between "playing current league, PA & No Trade" and "SFL".

So ppl who voted "A", may I ask whatever you honestly want "SFL" or "Better Drop Rate"? I mean that's entirely different topic, right? "I want to play Self-Found" and "I want better drop rate".

Will anyone join SFL in the first place if it has same drop rate? If yes you'll join anyway, then why not just play it now, PA & No Trade.

As a new player, I'm currently utterly swamped with how much I have to learn about basic trading in this game, being that the prices themselves also fluctuate wildly.

I'm not bothered about profiteering later in the game (when the time comes), but having either an auction house or the ability to find my own loot (on a more reliable basis) sounds like a god-send.

I'm amazed at the frequency of checks in chat where literally nobody seems to know what something is worth. YES I know "what someone is prepared to pay" is the last word, but this is more like a real-life job than a game :/

I'd much prefer to be at the mercy of a good or bad day at the auction, but actually walk with something, than vendor it through not knowing or literally not botering to trade at all.

Maybe I'm on the wrong channel here, as I said, I've only played a week. But I'm literally DREADING end-game right now with the complexities of trading. Not only that, but it feels like walking into the Lion's den against the established player base also.

Not exactly friendly! I'd vote in favour of Self-Found Loot also being that the trading system is apparently a total and utter dark-art.

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Rozerozz wrote:

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bluefalcon74 wrote:

2. We already do. We want a league with either better drop rates to offset the absence of trading, or change the success rates of orbs that drop already to offset the absence of trading.

Again as I still didn't see any different between "playing current league, PA & No Trade" and "SFL".

So ppl who voted "A", may I ask whatever you honestly want "SFL" or "Better Drop Rate"? I mean that's entirely different topic, right? "I want to play Self-Found" and "I want better drop rate".

Will anyone join SFL in the first place if it has same drop rate? If yes you'll join anyway, then why not just play it now, PA & No Trade.

Spoiler

If no, you just want more drop rate. Period.

We want that drop rates for SF be same as we would play with trading. We want if you want to play self found, the game "difficulty" to be scaled as same as if you would use trade. The "dif" should stay same if you play the game and trade, or if you play SF. Now if you play SF it is "harder", not same.

Edit: I dont care how they do it, better drop rates, better crafting or some other way, but the game in SF becomes a huge grind fest that is not normal for arpg, and is more normal for free korean MMOs

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I'm not having a "horrible self found experience". I enjoy it. I've been playing games like this since before we could play on monitors (they weren't available) and we had to print on paper the outcomes of each move or attack. It isn't that the experience is horrible... it's that you're not enjoying it. That's on you... not on the game.

Yeah well we come from a similar gaming background it seems.

Hell when I start a self found character I even start with fresh stash tab.I like them to survive on their own two legs.

It's GGGs game and they design how they think is appropriate (as I've said before).

Whether I enjoy the journey or not isn't a big deal to anyone but myself.I havn't voted for or against a SFL because I wait for paid leagues.But what I'd really like is for gambling to be a bit better than one or two upgrades in 30 to 40 levels.

I only post when I see the trash being said about solo self found being easy mode. lol

Orbs in party play is like picking up free candy off the ground and then turning into gold on the market.

Yes I do play the preferred/advised way occasionally in the last three years. and aware of the huge difference in options it allows. =p

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miljan wrote:

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Rozerozz wrote:

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bluefalcon74 wrote:

2. We already do. We want a league with either better drop rates to offset the absence of trading, or change the success rates of orbs that drop already to offset the absence of trading.

Again as I still didn't see any different between "playing current league, PA & No Trade" and "SFL".

So ppl who voted "A", may I ask whatever you honestly want "SFL" or "Better Drop Rate"? I mean that's entirely different topic, right? "I want to play Self-Found" and "I want better drop rate".

Will anyone join SFL in the first place if it has same drop rate? If yes you'll join anyway, then why not just play it now, PA & No Trade.

Spoiler

If no, you just want more drop rate. Period.

We want that drop rates for SF be same as we would play with trading. We want if you want to play self found, the game "difficulty" to be scaled as same as if you would use trade.

Bold sentence makes 0 sense, drops rates atm are the exact same, trading or not.

You probably meant "we want the same currency we would obtain via trading to be dropped instead".

Then comes the uber flawed logic: we want the game to be self found but with all the advantages that trading with other players would grant. Then why the hell you want a SF league if it will be the SAME as a trading league? maybe just to say "yeyeye mhh mhh i dropped everything by my own"??? i can't really see the point here, this logic is complete nonsense to me.

You guys make me laugh really hard, respect to all actual SF players, not this mass of hypocrites that just want increased drop rates

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Mahesys wrote:

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Bold sentence makes 0 sense, drops rates atm are the exact same, trading or not.

You probably meant "we want the same currency we would obtain via trading to be dropped instead".

Then comes the uber flawed logic: we want the game to be self found but with all the advantages that trading with other players would grant. Then why the hell you want a SF league if it will be the SAME as a trading league? maybe just to say "yeyeye mhh mhh i self dropped everything by my own"??? i can't really see the point here, this logic is complete nonsense to me.

You guys make me laugh really hard, respect to all actual SF players, not this mass of hypocrites that just want increased drop rates

Because I dont like to trade. The flawed logic in your post is you did not read what SFL means. In that league you would not be able to trade, so you dont get the benefit of trading.


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Temper wrote:

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Stoutarm wrote:

I wish we could gather all you SFLosers and ship you all off to Timbuktu.....

Indeed

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Talking about "Losers", what do you think is more lame? Cheesing your way through the game with traded gear to circumvent gear checks/completely destroy content on your level or by playing the game man-mode with only what you find and are able to craft? [Removed by Admin]

They could increase drop rates 1000 fold and it wouldn't match the returns people are seeing by trading. It's that big of an advantage.

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Rozerozz wrote:

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bluefalcon74 wrote:

2. We already do. We want a league with either better drop rates to offset the absence of trading, or change the success rates of orbs that drop already to offset the absence of trading.

Again as I still didn't see any different between "playing current league, PA & No Trade" and "SFL".

So ppl who voted "A", may I ask whatever you honestly want "SFL" or "Better Drop Rate"? I mean that's entirely different topic, right? "I want to play Self-Found" and "I want better drop rate".

Will anyone join SFL in the first place if it has same drop rate? If yes you'll join anyway, then why not just play it now, PA & No Trade.

Spoiler

If no, you just want more drop rate. Period.

What I'd like to see is a better gambling system than the present one.



Just in case you missed what a hardcore solo self founder works with from a fresh stash tab




Would you like to participate in some of that at level 71 ?