Remove MF completely from game

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Nephalim wrote:

Viable and optimal are different things. If the devs have stated solo play is as optimal as group play then i would have to disagree. If they have states solo play is viable though not superior compared to group play then I would agree.

Devs have stated that they wanted solo and group play to be equally viable. MF breaks that. Now group play is clearly superiour in every shape/form. The ONLY draw back to group play is loot ninjas which can be mitigated through Perm Allocation and/or only playing with friends. Running end game maps solo continuously just isn't an option at this point.. not from being to difficult but through limited acquisition of maps. Groups have increased quantity, just from being grouped, and then through the ability to stack MF and use Culling Strike to ensure high MF is applied upon monster death. And lets not forget about how groups can combine currency to make sure every map they run is a perfect map.

Monsters are no where near powerful enough when people are grouped to counter act the bonuses groups get. 6 man groups can rick roll map mobs and its like taking candy from a baby. Solo folks.. yeah good luck. Decreased quantity and every bit of MF gear you take costs you survivability in a game that is already borderline difficult to survive through random desyncs, OP monsters which stun lock, low life availability, and horrible dodge/armor mechanics.

There is nothing equally viable about solo play in a game with so much dependance on MF. If GGG cut out MF right now and left drop rates as it currently sits most solo players wouldnt notice a difference as it wouldnt affect them hardly at all. Price would start to drop as currency started becoming more valuable. End game group play would practically dry up as there would be no extra currency to waste rolling perfect maps.

If GGG cut out MF and raised the average drop rate to compensate then solo play would become viable AND people would have no problem running maps.

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LostForm wrote:

There is no content in game currently that adequately supports players well over level 80.

Well, actually this couldn't be farther from truth. This may be a flashlight to you, but level 66 maps are actually awesome content for players level 80. You are really lacking some very interesting experience about mapping, I still think You should definitely try that!

Ya guys, content 14 levels lower than your character level is designed as on level content. Wtf are you even talking about?

The highest map level is 77, if your character is level 88...you have outleveled every piece of available content by 11 levels.

There is no content designed for level 88 players yet to be added to the game.

There is absolutely nothing designed for level 88 characters, and you claim I am wrong because level 66 maps exist in game?

It has to be sarcasm but it is pretty clear you suck at sarcasm. You are doing it completely wrong.

There is nothing to support level 88 characters (or really anything higher than level 84 or so) in game. To say magic find is problematic for a character at level 88 is just stupid. Everything is problematic for a character at level 88, because nothing in game is designed to support that character or challenge that character. That character is done officially with all content, and continuing to grind content is grinding for the sake of grinding currently.


I also find your comments about solo play pretty hilarious. If you are interested in solo play, wth are you caring if you keep up with the jonses? What you are describing is not solo play, it is party play or being part of the community while refusing to use a party or be part of the community lol. To say playing through the game by yourself as a solo player using self found is not viable is just plain wrong. Solo player can and do access every bit as much content as group players.

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Bishop120 wrote:

If GGG cut out MF and raised the average drop rate to compensate then solo play would become viable AND people would have no problem running maps.

Bullshit. Really. You saying "grouping is easy, so remove MF and increase drops". So what ? Groups will have even easier times (not more difficult, still increased quantity) AND you will not be able to farm solo. And please, get a clue about the game at 80+. Please do.

I'm tired of people asking for a buff and hiding behind the word "balance". You want more loot ? Don't hide, and say it.

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Hovergame wrote:

Bullshit. Really. You saying "grouping is easy, so remove MF and increase drops". So what ? Groups will have even easier times (not more difficult, still increased quantity) AND you will not be able to farm solo. And please, get a clue about the game at 80+. Please do.

I'm tired of people asking for a buff and hiding behind the word "balance". You want more loot ? Don't hide, and say it.

Can we please set insults aside from this topic? LostForm may lack level 80+ experience, but this is a matter of time, I see no point in swearing instead of arguments.

Yes, grouping will still be easier (unless GGG wants to then specifically fix it, but I see no need in this), soloing will still be harder in terms of monster damage and health - these are exactly challenges I seek and want to overcome when playing solo. But solo players will be able to roll maps and sustain them.

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LostForm wrote:

Solo player can and do access every bit as much content as group players.

Solo players access level 77 maps? That is news to me.

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Hovergame wrote:

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Bishop120 wrote:

If GGG cut out MF and raised the average drop rate to compensate then solo play would become viable AND people would have no problem running maps.

Bullshit. Really. You saying "grouping is easy, so remove MF and increase drops". So what ? Groups will have even easier times (not more difficult, still increased quantity) AND you will not be able to farm solo. And please, get a clue about the game at 80+. Please do.

I'm tired of people asking for a buff and hiding behind the word "balance". You want more loot ? Don't hide, and say it.

Yup. Every single player who doesn't like magic find in its current form just wants more free loot. How did you ever figure that out? Its genius.

Its funny because as a solo player at level 79 i have done up to level 74 maps. And I play like 10 hours or so during the week, and maybe another 10 hours over the weekend. My highest character is neither a dual totem or pure summoner character. I run a mishmash of dps/defensive/and mf gear. I do have a dual EK totem character, he is level 71, and I actually specced out of AB at the last respec, due to it being pretty boring to play.

I been on vacation 4 times in the last two months, missing out on any weekend activity.

I have maybe 30 characters that I have put time into, not just no lifing the one character in standard league.

To assume I have done just about as good as you can do as a solo player is flattering to me, makes you guys look like nubs, and very insulting to people actually very good at the game.

Congratulations, you have graduated from nonsense into full blown nubs. /certificate.

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LostForm wrote:

Its funny because as a solo player at level 79 i have done up to level 74 maps. And I play like 10 hours or so during the week, and maybe another 10 hours over the weekend. My highest character is neither a dual totem or pure summoner character. I run a mishmash of dps/defensive/and mf gear. I do have a dual EK totem character, he is level 71, and I actually specced out of AB at the last respec, due to it being pretty boring to play.

I been on vacation 4 times in the last two months, missing out on any weekend activity.

I have maybe 30 characters that I have put time into, not just no lifing the one character in standard league.

To assume I have done just about as good as you can do as a solo player is flattering to me, makes you guys look like nubs, and very insulting to people actually very good at the game.

Congratulations, you have graduated from nonsense into full blown nubs. /certificate.

Getting a few 74s isn't bad. Having enough currency to be running 72-77 maps on a consistent basis is another story. Congratulations, you play the game a lot and don't have a clue.

MF is a mistake in grinding gear games:) Just like it was on Diablo3, they added paragons and deleted mf from items, just bcoz ppl cant maximize theier character stats bcoz it wasnt worth it. Here should be the same, the priority should be SURVIVAL, DMG not MF !


Atm the situation looks like this:

"Oh i pretty much enjoy playing my character, but my build need plenty of uniques to works fine so i cant use magic find... im poor ... OH i got an idea ! i will make dual spark totem witch so i will have 100 iiq and 400 iir with still pretty good dmg"

This wont happen if magic find would be deleted. Coz its unfair that few skills in game can work rly fine without any dmg from items.

Thats my opinion, i would be glad if u delete iiq/iir.

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big_aug wrote:

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LostForm wrote:

Its funny because as a solo player at level 79 i have done up to level 74 maps. And I play like 10 hours or so during the week, and maybe another 10 hours over the weekend. My highest character is neither a dual totem or pure summoner character. I run a mishmash of dps/defensive/and mf gear. I do have a dual EK totem character, he is level 71, and I actually specced out of AB at the last respec, due to it being pretty boring to play.

I been on vacation 4 times in the last two months, missing out on any weekend activity.

I have maybe 30 characters that I have put time into, not just no lifing the one character in standard league.

To assume I have done just about as good as you can do as a solo player is flattering to me, makes you guys look like nubs, and very insulting to people actually very good at the game.

Congratulations, you have graduated from nonsense into full blown nubs. /certificate.

Getting a few 74s isn't bad. Having enough currency to be running 72-77 maps on a consistent basis is another story. Congratulations, you play the game a lot and don't have a clue.

No clue about what? I realize fully that maps are hard to maintain from level 72 up. I know because I have percolated up and down the map levels several times, capping at level 74 with relatively very little time and effort spent. I also know I could have made it a mission to continue to grind them and done 75 76 and 77 maps as well. I still can. I dont Need magic find gear to do it. And maxing out magic find fully will not keep me in 75 76 77 maps, because the system Is Designed That Way. It is completely designed to not sustain level 75, 76, and 77 maps.

You say I dont have a clue, but I just realize the implementation in game, and agree with that implementation. And I also know higher level content is coming. And when that content comes out, I expect that their will still exist a tier of maps that is not sustainable. Because it is by design.

So sure, you can come in and try and take irrelevant and off the mark pot shots, but you are wrong, I fully understand the implementation in game. And fully agree with that implementation. Saying that 75,76,77 maps are not sustainable because of magic find, well that is clueless.