Remove MF completely from game

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nynyny wrote:

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You don't get it. Fine.
Morons will be morons.

Back to MF debate.
Steep diminishing returns. That is all.

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Hovergame wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

You know some people literally CAN'T invest more time into the game. We all aren't kids who have nothing at all better to do. Don't you think the game should feel fun to everyone and not just no lifers?

I don't get the point. How your fun is related of how much time you play ? Do you have more fun if you play more ?

Your not following the discussion, maybe reread it all?

It was suggested that the game is perfectly balanced in terms of magic find because there are players who play 12 hours a day and have a lot of exalts. I'm disputing that this means the game is fine for all players. I beleive magic find is not implemented well in its current form. Its too mandatory and the game feels terrible without it. This forces people to easy magic find builds and ignore your low magic find characters.

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nynyny wrote:

You should simply ignore that comment because its so full of flaws that analyzing it really is a waste of time. The whole "hurrdurr I have a life you dont" debate never made any sense.

Your argument that the game is fine and dandy because no lifers have plenty of exalts was a silly argument to begin with.

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iamstryker wrote:

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nynyny wrote:

If you want magic find you have to trade it for either damage or survivability, simple as that. What they could do is implement IIR/IIQ nodes in the tree. Getting those would automatically nerf your survivability and damage output from talents, but you could still run normal gear and wouldnt have to find decent IIR/IIQ items. In all honesty, I would even support such a change as long as the nodes are hard to reach and make you go out of your way.

I understand what magic find is supposed to do but I don't think it succeeds. This is because

A) You don't have to trade damage for survivability if you choose an easy magic find build which most players do. Doesn't that defeat the point?

Which is false. By going LowLife Spark, which is most likely what your are referring to, you trade survivability for MF since you cant grab the CI ES nodes.

Yes, you get more damage thanks to PA and the fact that you can run an additional aura, but that makes you vulnurable to chaos damage. The fact that Wondertraps gives you +100IIQ is overpowered. That theres no Chaos damage in Docks doesnt make your build less vulnurable, it just appears that you dont have to care about its shortcomings in specific areas.

Yes it is broken, but thats not because of how IIR/IIQ works, its because of the whole low life mechanic and Wondertraps.

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nynyny wrote:

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Hovergame wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

You know some people literally CAN'T invest more time into the game. We all aren't kids who have nothing at all better to do. Don't you think the game should feel fun to everyone and not just no lifers?

I don't get the point. How your fun is related of how much time you play ? Do you have more fun if you play more ?

You should simply ignore that comment because its so full of flaws that analyzing it really is a waste of time. The whole "hurrdurr I have a life you dont" debate never made any sense.

The build that I am currently thinking of is not low life or spark. The point is the easy magic find builds get away with stacking huge amounts of magic find with little consequence.

Edit: You don't need to use wondertrap to have a lot of magic find.

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iamstryker wrote:

Your argument that the game is fine and dandy because no lifers have plenty of exalts was a silly argument to begin with.

I mentioned it to show that its possible to acquire currenca without running IIR/IIQ. The fact that you cant deal with the fact that the game is not giving you access to all the content because of your personal problems (not having enough time to invest) is something I cant take serious since I have a completely different mentality in life.

By the way, dont you think its pretty steep to call people no lifers (which I would assume is an insult in your eyes) while posting as often as you do?

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iamstryker wrote:

The build that I am currently thinking of is not low life or spark. The point is the easy magic find builds get away with stacking huge amounts of magic find with little consequence.

Edit: You don't need to use wondertrap to have a lot of magic find.

Enlighten me, what builds. Because the only powerful ones I know are Spork and PS based characters who no way in hell could solo any hard map.

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nynyny wrote:

I mentioned it to show that its possible to acquire currenca without running IIR/IIQ. The fact that you cant deal with the fact that the game is not giving you access to all the content because of your personal problems (not having enough time to invest) is something I cant take serious since I have a completely different mentality in life.

And your still ignoring the main concerns brought up. I'm not at all complaining about players getting more currency because they play more, thats a given. I just think its dumb to assume the entire game is perfectly fine simply because these players play all day and are rich. They should be rich if they play all day! Thats a given.

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nynyny wrote:

By the way, dont you think its pretty steep to call people no lifers (which I would assume is an insult in your eyes) while posting as often as you do?

No I don't because I am currently at work and will be leaving soon to go home and go to sleep because I am about to pass out from lack of it. I am completely unable to play the game now and I will be unable to play the game for most of the day. I don't really mean it as an insult, its just that if you play that much then you don't have much on your plate in the real world do you?

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iamstryker wrote:

Well that stuff does kind of have bearing on the discussion since you can't have the game balanced for people who play all day long or exploit/RMT verses a player who plays a couple hours per day and plays completely legitimate.

do you fucking honestly expect to play for 2 hours a day and aquire as much loot as someone playing 12 hours a day.

In what fantasy world do you live in that you could even imagine a system that will allow you to aquire as much loot playing only 2 hours as someone playing 12 hours in the exact same system.

They are not going to put in a 'give all the things to Iamstryker' rule set. And removing magic find leaves one alternative....to kill WAY MORE THINGS, which is going to benefit people spending more time in game.

You are never ever going to balance your wealth to someone playing 6x's as much as you. Pathetic.

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nynyny wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

The build that I am currently thinking of is not low life or spark. The point is the easy magic find builds get away with stacking huge amounts of magic find with little consequence.

Edit: You don't need to use wondertrap to have a lot of magic find.

Enlighten me, what builds. Because the only powerful ones I know are Spork and PS based characters who no way in hell could solo any hard map.

I use a summoner and I solo maps all the time with very high quantity bonuses.

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LostForm wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Well that stuff does kind of have bearing on the discussion since you can't have the game balanced for people who play all day long or exploit/RMT verses a player who plays a couple hours per day and plays completely legitimate.

do you fucking honestly expect to play for 2 hours a day and aquire as much loot as someone playing 12 hours a day.

In what fantasy world do you live in that you could even imagine a system that will allow you to aquire as much loot playing only 2 hours as someone playing 12 hours in the exact same system.

They are not going to put in a 'give all the things to Iamstryker' rule set. And removing magic find leaves one alternative....to kill WAY MORE THINGS, which is going to benefit people spending more time in game.

You are never ever going to balance your wealth to someone playing 6x's as much as you. Pathetic.

Good Lord please actually read all of the comments. Nothing you said has anything at all to do with anything that I have said.

I didn't even bring up the play time thing. I simply responded to the idea that the game is perfectly fine just because people who play all day have tons of exalts. Thats a given, they should be rich. What the hell does that have to do with the current debate on magic find?