Why does Lioneye's Glare have no drawback?

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Casta: You're comparing skills to an item. Your analogy fails.

what about the Shavronne's that goes with the dual spork? I didn't want to say the name of the item out loud, but you forced me to... now i'm just like the OP, and all the dual spork's will hate me as well.

And how many of these high end tri-ele bows exist AND quivers exist? Few.

How many lioneyes glares and blackgleams exist? Lots.

And yet, they're equal in terms of damage. Do you not see anything wrong with your statements?

EDIT: Shavronnes took a heavy beating with the most recent change. In terms of mapping capabilities the nerf was not so nice at all.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

And how many of these high end tri-ele bows exist AND quivers exist? Few.

How many lioneyes glares and blackgleams exist? Lots.

And yet, they're equal in terms of damage. Do you not see anything wrong with your statements?

EDIT: Shavronnes took a heavy beating with the most recent change. In terms of mapping capabilities the nerf was not so nice at all.

i was not aware of shavronne's recent nerf.
Were the changes retroactive? Did existing Shavronne's get hit too?

The build took a hit, not the item

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SL4Y3R wrote:

The build took a hit, not the item

EXACTLY. Let's change the build, not kill the item (i.e. Lioneye's).

this blackgleam theory is not that common, id even say that it is very uncommon so dont really know what to say - my rare quiver has crit multi, crit chance, wep.el.dam. i miss attack speed, but it still gives crazy good dps increase. it depends on how much elemental your ranger is. i do not think that this blackgleam is a strong enough drawback to be called a 'con'. it is the first time i hear about it being such a needed item (will remember to sell them for more than 1alch btw) and something that balances out LG

sporks? these are out of control and without SERIOUS nerf like 'totem skills dont crit' or something similarly severe will remain so.

RMT? you can have 'healthy' RMT in a game ONLY where there are items WAY WAY WAY better than the 'normal' ones. if there are no such items RMT is not profitable enough to 'invest' in a game and game remains clean. LG, Kaoms, Shavrones are items that fuel the RMT because people know that they have like 0.00001% chance to get them legit. And they know that without these items they are severely gimping themselves so they will look for other ways.

uou havent answered: how many bow users would choose NOT to use LG if presented with a choice? i still stand by 'ZERO' answer

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Castablanca wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

The build took a hit, not the item

EXACTLY. Let's change the build, not kill the item (i.e. Lioneye's).

I would prefer both take a hit to be honest.

To the OP and sidtherat,

I see your points. And, I also apologize for some of the errors in my argument as others have pointed out. I like the spirit of this thread and the atmosphere of this community. We are light years more evolved than the Diablo 3 community. Path of Exile is my exile away from D3, and rather than an "exile" persay, it has been an expedition into my bittersweet memories of the good times with D2.

I will agree to disagree. I definitely have confidence that whatever actions GGG takes will be for the best of the game. But, what do you guys think about this as a compromise?
Keep existing items as is, just like the Legacy Nats of D3. Change the future drops of Lioneye's.

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Castablanca wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

The build took a hit, not the item

EXACTLY. Let's change the build, not kill the item (i.e. Lioneye's).

Except you are wrong

Lioneyes, the actual item, is mathematically broken. I have been saying this for months. The item is basically perfect, it is actually much better then perfectly rolled thicket bows, and its due to its insanely high damage roll + attack speed + never miss attribute.

Shavronns is not broken, it has a very strong ability (CI doesn't go through ES) which is arguably as good as the never miss on LE, however shavronns has really low ES, you are going to be losing 1k+ ES compared to other builds when you Shavrons in an endgame situation

Also spork is broken due to skills and gems, has nothing to do with items

You tackle problems at their source, the problem with Lioneyes is Lioneyes.

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sidtherat wrote:

uou havent answered: how many bow users would choose NOT to use LG if presented with a choice? i still stand by 'ZERO' answer

Depends on the build :)
For lightning arrow builds, 100% would choose Lioneye's.
However, for Rain of Arrows builds, it's 50/50. Why? Because Rain of Arrows is a pure physical skill. Together with Lioneye's pure physical damage output, the only way Rain of Arrows can take advantage of the elemental boosts from gear and passives is through Blackgleam.

for example, if a Lioneye's user with a rare quiver wanted to go Rain of Arrows, he would be almost completely wasting all of the affixes on that rare quiver (such as +% weapon elemental damage). The only thing that would be boosted would be the elemental damage provided by Hatred, Wrath, and Anger (and that is not Lioneye's responsibility :P )

(i'm going to use my bow and quiver as an example)

My rare quiver is absolutely insane GG and worth much more than my blackgleam.
But, I come out with ~25% more dps with the blackgleam FML.