Why does Lioneye's Glare have no drawback?

I am quoting Ghoun from another related thread back in March 2013:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/237504/page/14

"I completely agree with the accuracy system being crap right now, i already said so in my earlier posts.
Accuracy being shit is not the equivalent to LG being OP however, since accuracy being useless is not LG´s fault.
If the accuracy system were to never receive a change, i would probably agree that LG is one of the strongest bows you can get, but i dont believe this to be the case.

Everyone agrees that accuracy needs a revamp, and only after such a revamp is the evaluation of LG possible. You cant base your thread on a broken system. See what i did here?

In all honesty, accuracy plain sucks in its current form.
GGG probably did not want 95% hit chance to be achievable in a trivial manner, but due to this, accuracy based buils are terrible because even with enormous amounts of accuracy (which involves skilling several accuracy nodes) you cant really reach high %hit chance against high level targets.
In a game where most of your passives are better spent towards life, it is not feasible to skill that many points into accuracy, only to realize that you did not even reach 95% hitchance.

As i already once suggested, if they want the itemization process of accurracy to be non trivial, without making 95% hit chance impossible to reach, they have to implement a system where 95% hitchance is rather easy to reach, while any accuracy beyond that adds to the critchance of the character.
That way the accuracy itemization is NON-trivial, without making 95% hitchance too hard to reach."

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Castablanca wrote:

how bad do you think lioneye's is gonna get hit.

and will it reset the stat rolls? or will it just be the 100% accuracy affix?

This thread is not about a 100% accuracy fix. It is about the item in general.
The 100% accuracy is not the problem. Refer to it as "Lioneye rebalance", not "100% accuracy fix". Nothing good will come out of assuming that this is the one and only way to fix this weapon. We will end up with threads like "When is the lioneye accuracy fix coming?" rather than threads like this, that discuss other options.

Removing "Hits Cannot be Evaded" is not only a lazy fix, it retcons the flavor text AND the idea behind the character Marceus Lioneye.

Also, don't be sad. If anything, you should know how broken the item is since you use it. I use this item avidly, and i agree that it's broken. You need to learn to not take nerfs personally, and rather be happy that the item is balanced.

I remember back when i used lightning strike and i abused the fuck out of how overpowered it was. I also reported how overpowered it was and it got fixed. I no longer desired to use lightning stirke, so what did i do? I changed builds.

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Xendran wrote:

See without doubt, slay without hesitation.

Cannot Fire Additional Projectiles.
Cannot Fork or Chain.

You must aim, you must know EXACTLY where your arrow is going, you must see without doubt. Firing arrows that are out of your aim and out of your sight is not lioneye's style. Spraying bunches of arrows randomly, having them fork and chain in random directions? I doubt this is what lioneye was using his bow for.

No attack speed nerf, due to Slay without hesitation.

This change has significant impact on the way the bow is used without retconning any of the flavor text, or the feel of the bow when firing it.

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Chris wrote:

I'm speaking personally here and this doesn't reflect what GGG may or may not do with future changes to this item or to the game.

I personally completely agree with you and think that it should have a drawback. When it was rebalanced in the past, the power level was set a little too high. I regret that it wasn't fixed before Open Beta because it's a bit rude to change items that a lot of bow users are using. I don't know if it's going to get changed, but it's a situation that I don't like being in.

What the fuck? This legitimately angers me.
This is beta. Some people don't want their item to get nerfed? Deal with it. I'm sure you'll survive through the emotional trauma of a few angry emails.

This is just like me being told "Kaom's is just above the power curve". I went with it for the time, because we were getting new, higher ilvl mods then. Then we actually got them.
And from the looks of it, kaom's isn't above the power curve in the way that shiversting is. Kaoms is easily over 100 levels above the power curve.

Not only that, but HP on gear is messed up in the ilvl vs hp requirements.
Let's look at how many ilvls you need to gain in order to get 10 more max HP:

+10
+7
+6
+6
+6
+8
+10
+10
+9

But I digress.

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Castablanca wrote:

all I can do is cry. you non-lioneye users can laugh. be happy. i be sad.

You should not take game changes personally. I've watched every build I've ever made go from OP to weak to everywhere in between. Game balance is wider than one personal anecdote.

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scribblet wrote:

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Castablanca wrote:

fixing evasion and fixing dexterity would be very nice.

but i still don't see how nerfing lioneye's would affect people who don't use lioneye's.
And a good lioneye's is a needle in a hay stack. Most players won't ever own one.
How would nerfing something that only a small minority of players have change your gameplay as a ranger? If Lioneye's glare were a very common item in circulation, then, yes this would be a problem. As it is, I don't see most bow users using a Lioneye's at all. Do you?

I'm gonna be the devils advocate here. You say that Path of exile will be more like Diablo 3 if it continues to be "taken hostage" by these GG items.
Well, I will simply state the opposite extreme: Path of Exile will be more like Demon's Souls if any GG item can get nerfed by a few complaints and whims. (and, Path of Exile is already relatively harsh amongst all the current action rpg's).

It took me 3 months to find my Lion's Eye playing 4-6 hours a day. I would say I invested at least 300 hours. That means chancing 20-30 a day, and playing in zones where a lion's eye could drop (maps, and later lunaris temple after 0.10 patch). I finally got one in lunaris temple level 2, while running through there to get to 3 on my way to a piety farm kill.

If there was a major drawback added to it I'd be devastated/incensed and probably stop playing a bow-based character, because while it did and does provide a huge DPS, it's also hard as hell to get and looking at spork I think it's unfair to say it's overpowered relative to other options.

I play entirely self-found (except for a few quality gems I bought) so it would hurt me even more. I got SO tempted to buy one for 4-5 ex in trade chat, but never did. I am happy that I didn't.

I love this bow of beauty.

Someone needs to explain to me why someone spends forever to get a LG, 6S and 5L's it, and then puts those gems in it. IT doesn't even make sense! Conc effect on a frenzy, that is single target? To top it off the conc effect is 20% Quality! Am I the only one who noticed this? Please tell me something I'm missing here lol, becasue my entire brain just about exploded looking at that.

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pneuma wrote:

(1) Lioneye's Glare, Shavronne's Wrappings, and Kaom's Heart all need a massive balance stick,
(2) and the game should likewise be balanced assuming people do not have the currently broken versions.

1) yes.

2) not sure what you meant by that. if you suggest making the game crazy-hard assuming people have the above OP-uniques, my answer would be "hell no!".
because I don't have any of them, nor will I ever do.

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johnKeys wrote:

2) not sure what you meant by that. if you suggest making the game crazy-hard assuming people have the above OP-uniques, my answer would be "hell no!".
because I don't have any of them, nor will I ever do.

He means the exact opposite. Most of merciless, even if they don't admit it, is very clearly balanced around the idea of using extremely powerful gear, and being highly overlevelled.

Want to have something like that? Make it not mandatory to level properly.

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Xendran wrote:

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johnKeys wrote:

2) not sure what you meant by that. if you suggest making the game crazy-hard assuming people have the above OP-uniques, my answer would be "hell no!".
because I don't have any of them, nor will I ever do.

He means the exact opposite. Most of merciless, even if they don't admit it, is very clearly balanced around the idea of using extremely powerful gear, and being highly overlevelled.

Want to have something like that? Make it not mandatory to level properly.

in that case, yes. but I still think a balance of play-styles is a more pressing concern.
I kind of like the global difficulty right now.
not that I'd ever be able to solo maps over level 72, but it feels a bit better now that mobs don't hit as hard.

what I mean is melee vs. ranged vs. caster vs. summoner.
I have all 4, with the melee being main and maps, ranged in Act 2 Merciless, summoner in Act 2 Cruel, and caster still has a long way to go in Hardcore.

I want my melee to be able to go in with a fast, swinging fury, and decimate packs of small mobs like my Berserker does in Torchlight 2. run around in a frenzy looking for blood, instead of casually jogging.
even after 0.11, I still need to basically kite any pack of size >4.
a pack, my Ranger would simply decimate with a few shots of RoA, or a chaining Lightning Arrow or two.
a pack, my Witch can just stand back and watch zombies and skeletons devour in seconds, while casually firing Arc and shocking them to make the process quicker.

I want my melee to not need to out-level, out-gear and max-resist everything, simply because he fights stuff up close and personal.
I want certain bosses (Brutus) to not be near-impossible with a melee, while essentially being a walk-in-the-park as ranged.

maybe people would disagree with me on this, but melee - even if somewhat viable after latest patch - just isn't fun to play in this game right now. it feels a lot like slow torture compared to the other options.

TL;DR you can nerf the OP uniques, but before you do that - please do a complete melee overhaul for god's sakes, GGG.
use the "3F" rules as a guideline: F***ing Fast and Furious :)

Here's a quick fix that will not only "nerf" Lioneye, but will open up a lot of other builds.

Key Stone: Fool's Luck.

30% Increased Physical & Elemental damage while your chance to hit is 80% or lower.
80% chance to crit and 40% Crit multiplier while your chance to hit is 70% or lower.

So in order to fix a single broken item, you want to implement a keystone that is mandatory for every build that doesn't use said item?

Resolute technique is bad enough, we don't need another one like it.

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Dellusions wrote:

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scribblet wrote:

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Castablanca wrote:

fixing evasion and fixing dexterity would be very nice.

but i still don't see how nerfing lioneye's would affect people who don't use lioneye's.
And a good lioneye's is a needle in a hay stack. Most players won't ever own one.
How would nerfing something that only a small minority of players have change your gameplay as a ranger? If Lioneye's glare were a very common item in circulation, then, yes this would be a problem. As it is, I don't see most bow users using a Lioneye's at all. Do you?

I'm gonna be the devils advocate here. You say that Path of exile will be more like Diablo 3 if it continues to be "taken hostage" by these GG items.
Well, I will simply state the opposite extreme: Path of Exile will be more like Demon's Souls if any GG item can get nerfed by a few complaints and whims. (and, Path of Exile is already relatively harsh amongst all the current action rpg's).

It took me 3 months to find my Lion's Eye playing 4-6 hours a day. I would say I invested at least 300 hours. That means chancing 20-30 a day, and playing in zones where a lion's eye could drop (maps, and later lunaris temple after 0.10 patch). I finally got one in lunaris temple level 2, while running through there to get to 3 on my way to a piety farm kill.

If there was a major drawback added to it I'd be devastated/incensed and probably stop playing a bow-based character, because while it did and does provide a huge DPS, it's also hard as hell to get and looking at spork I think it's unfair to say it's overpowered relative to other options.

I play entirely self-found (except for a few quality gems I bought) so it would hurt me even more. I got SO tempted to buy one for 4-5 ex in trade chat, but never did. I am happy that I didn't.

I love this bow of beauty.

Someone needs to explain to me why someone spends forever to get a LG, 6S and 5L's it, and then puts those gems in it. IT doesn't even make sense! Conc effect on a frenzy, that is single target? To top it off the conc effect is 20% Quality! Am I the only one who noticed this? Please tell me something I'm missing here lol, becasue my entire brain just about exploded looking at that.

Maybe I store gems in it?

I'm ROA, I took out conc effect and life leech so I could swap in IIQ/IIR for farming docks.