Why does Lioneye's Glare have no drawback?

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Catchafire2000 wrote:

Let them fucking nerf the damn bow then. But if they don't do shit to all the other BROKEN fucking unique items in the game, then I will be upset.

The plain truth is that given the choice between a Kaom's, LG, or Shavs I will always... ALWAYS choose a Kaom's or Shavs.

What is so fucking hard to understand about that? People claim that Kaom's has a drawback? Who gives a damn if there are no sockets in the item???

To call out a bow, and not admit that there are other broken items in the game (even if they have supposed drawbacks) is down right hypocritical.

Kaoms - Limits your build choices. You cannot use block, in DW or shield form. Losing a shield means you don't get the EHP bonuses from there. Having kaoms means you need better gear surrounding it. Along with a 2h weapon/bow.

Shavs - It's a niche item. It allows for low life builds to be possible. Maybe the ES should be dropped lower but really it's not inherently broken. The only reason it seems that way is when combined with RF, which I'm pretty sure when they added RF (or the spell damage bonus) they didn't have shavs in mind making it a fairly simple addition to any build having a shavs.

Lioneyes - Have you seen a bow better than it? No theorycrafting bullshit, have you seen one, in trade forums or chat, anywhere? There's probably thousands of lioneyes, thousands. I got one the first week of OB, mine is the one in the unique thread in general discussion. Was there a perfect roll thicket (or whatever base) found in the first week of OB? How about the first month? How many are there in the 5 months the league has been running?

If you have arguments against kaoms/shav, so be it. They aren't completely unwarranted but it's irrelevant here. Lioneyes is the best bow and perfect rares arguably don't compare because of it's "cannot miss" affix.

All of the people denying this are just blinding themselves to the fact they shouldn't have easy access to things that are clearly OP.

Oh and whoever said it was find in CB, fuck that, the damage was terrible. The buff was needed but they went too far the other way. Bring the average DPS to like 215-250 area and it will be a pretty good bow.

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Catchafire2000 wrote:

Is why I believe they buffed it to begin with. Bows/Rangers need a lot of work. The game doesn't need more low life enabling uniques/node changes.

Wrong

They buffed it because no one was using it at the time, because everyone was using thickets and whatnot

Physical DPS rangers weren't used at all, hence why Lioneyes was never used

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Chris wrote:

I'm speaking personally here and this doesn't reflect what GGG may or may not do with future changes to this item or to the game.

I personally completely agree with you and think that it should have a drawback. When it was rebalanced in the past, the power level was set a little too high. I regret that it wasn't fixed before Open Beta because it's a bit rude to change items that a lot of bow users are using. I don't know if it's going to get changed, but it's a situation that I don't like being in.

Improve upon the Ranger Tree and the bow will not be as "broken" as people are making it out to be. There's an issue with DEX as compared to INT and STR; I'm not sure what its use is for. There's a reason why people high tail it out of that area to begin with, because it is boring.

The only reason I bring up Ranger is because ideally they should be the class which maximizes the most from an LG, but the Ranger tree makes no sense as is.

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Lyralei wrote:

And you need their confirmation to realise that it IS an issue? I'm a level 94 fucking Ranger. I shouldn't have to worry about accuracy WHEN MY CLASS IS BASED AND FOCUSED ON IT.


That 5% hit chance that I can never get is the difference between life and death for me in a 77 map where I need to leech ALL the time. That is the reason why I cannot switch from a LG.

Your complaining about problems which aren't relevant to what I am talking about. Missing 5 % of your htis is nothing to throw a shitstorm about

if anything, your issues is a side effect of mobs doing way too ridiculous amounts of damage in later level maps, that you are completely reliant on perma hitting with leech just to survive

The bow will STILL be broken for reasons that have been mentioned repeatedly in this thread. The bows damage is TOP tier, and it's IAS is ABOVE top tier.

LG needs to change. As does the Ranger tree, but that's a completely separate discussion.

There are more OP items than Lioneye. There are also better bows than Lioneye, especially for elemental builds. Shavs also has no drawbacks. What drawbacks has Eye of Chayula for CI builds? Thunderfist ? Alpha's Howl ?

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CookieVortex wrote:

There are more OP items than Lioneye. There are also better bows than Lioneye, especially for elemental builds. Shavs also has no drawbacks. What drawbacks has Eye of Chayula for CI builds? Thunderfist ? Alpha's Howl ?

Chayula has no ES, DPS, or resists.

Shavs has mid tier ES, and one res.

Alphas Howl- no hp, 1 res.

Thunderfist- no hp, no res

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deteego wrote:

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Lyralei wrote:

And you need their confirmation to realise that it IS an issue? I'm a level 94 fucking Ranger. I shouldn't have to worry about accuracy WHEN MY CLASS IS BASED AND FOCUSED ON IT.


That 5% hit chance that I can never get is the difference between life and death for me in a 77 map where I need to leech ALL the time. That is the reason why I cannot switch from a LG.

Your complaining about problems which aren't relevant to what I am talking about. Missing 5 % of your htis is nothing to throw a shitstorm about

if anything, your issues is a side effect of mobs doing way too ridiculous amounts of damage in later level maps, that you are completely reliant on perma hitting with leech just to survive

Its completely relevant. Do you have a character doing high level maps? No? Missing a hit is a big deal.

The bow is a problem because of an already underlying problem with accuracy. That has to be resolved before you can look at LG, which I agree should have Resolute Technique in lieu of Hits Can't Be Evaded or else you'll see every Ranger take Resolute Technique. That alone tells you that there's a problem if a class halfway across the tree needs to travel to the Marauder area to make itself competitive to caster options.


I don't have a problem with adjusting its final affix (the most fair way of going about this) and given that I have this:


I would very much like to see my character not get royally fucked by some arbitrary change. Resolute Technique makes sense. Oh and accuracy. Let me get 100% without needing a LG and I most likely won't use one, nor will any other top player.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

The bow will STILL be broken for reasons that have been mentioned repeatedly in this thread. The bows damage is TOP tier, and it's IAS is ABOVE top tier.

LG needs to change. As does the Ranger tree, but that's a completely separate discussion.

A top tier Thicket bow has 249% IPD%, 45 flat IPD and 1.798 APS with 2 suffix spots for Chaos Resist and something else (assuming accuracy is a non-issue). There.

I've seen said mods on a bow before. Unfortunately it wasn't a Thicket. So its entire plausible. And by the way, that bow (even with its lower base APS) beat my LG on paper. Too bad it could miss.

Again, top tier affixes for dmg rolls, and ABOVE top tier for IAS.

Something seriously has to give. I would rather it keep its "always hits mod", and something else changes.

EDIT: Post a link to said thicket

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Moosifer wrote:

Lioneyes - Have you seen a bow better than it? No theorycrafting bullshit, have you seen one, in trade forums or chat, anywhere? There's probably thousands of lioneyes, thousands. I got one the first week of OB, mine is the one in the unique thread in general discussion. Was there a perfect roll thicket (or whatever base) found in the first week of OB? How about the first month? How many are there in the 5 months the league has been running?

For an LA build, my thicket bow is a lot better. I level'ed two Rangers to 70+ on HC and the issue I have is the Ranger Tree. It forces you to use either an LG or to go for RT.

My first Ranger was LA on HC, and I used that thicket bow. I got to level 82 before stopping.

My second Ranger was a Puncture on HC, and I used that LG. For the second Ranger, I rummaged around the Ranger tree for a crit based build and I have to stop messing with the build because DEX is garbage and my survivability options in the Ranger tree sucks.

My highest level character is currently a level 83 duelist which is way more fun than either the LA or Puncture toons I created, and I am gimped by an item with a drawback that makes sense:


DRAWBACKS


Why would I want to use the item above? Do you propose that we gimp the bow so that it is as unattractive as the unique above? I feel for the individual who spent money to add this item in the game.