Why does Lioneye's Glare have no drawback?

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Nephalim wrote:

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grepman wrote:

rare gloves can roll health resists mana dex/int and MF, as well as high armor/ES/evasion rolls

thunderfists can roll none of those

rare bows cannot roll mf or life, or high base/es/evasion roll

But rare bows can roll 45 of a single elemental resistance, 30 chaos and crit...?

They can, but Lioneyes mods (because they are on a weapon) are way more useful. Out of all of the mods you would want on a Bow, Lioneyes's provides 3 of them off the bat. The fourth it provides (can never miss) is a mod that you can't even get on rare bows, and is easily worth 2x more than any of the other mods mentioned before

If you want an elemental bow, you can just use a specific quiver for that

Thunderfist gloves have very good values, but they are balanced for 2 reasons

1. The mods on thunderfist are not "generic extremely high rolled mods" but "specific extremely high rolled mods". Thunderfirst gloves is basically only useful on a handfull of small builds, because all of the mods on thunderfirst are applical to a very niche builds
2. The mods on thunderfist do not provide rolls which are needed for gloves (i.e. mainly resists/armor/es). This means running a thunderfist cuts majorly into your defense at the cost of your offense.

In other words, for a weapon you look for very high offensive rolls, for gloves you are looking for high defensive (or utility rolls). Thunderfist provides unique mods not normally found on gloves, which sidelines its use into niche builds

deteego stole all my steam.

To make it even more simple. There will never come a time I want a 100% defensive weapon but generally I'm looking for 100% defensive gloves more often than I am for offensive ones.

Thunderfists are niche for the most part
Lioneyes is generally the best bow for all builds unless you hit the lottery

If you don't understand that then you are not looking for imbalances, you are just looking for strong uniques and saying "nerf that too then!" It's a childish argument.

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Moosifer wrote:

If you don't understand that then you are not looking for imbalances, you are just looking for strong uniques and saying "nerf that too then!" It's a childish argument.

And the reason they are doing this is because they own a Lioneyes

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Moosifer wrote:

If you don't understand that then you are not looking for imbalances, you are just looking for strong uniques and saying "nerf that too then!" It's a childish argument.

It's the perfect example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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Moosifer wrote:

deteego stole all my steam.

To make it even more simple. There will never come a time I want a 100% defensive weapon but generally I'm looking for 100% defensive gloves more often than I am for offensive ones.

Thunderfists are niche for the most part
Lioneyes is generally the best bow for all builds unless you hit the lottery

If you don't understand that then you are not looking for imbalances, you are just looking for strong uniques and saying "nerf that too then!" It's a childish argument.

its unfortunate its come to this. ultimately its in GGG's hands and I hope if it ever comes to a point where they are forced to cripple their signature and iconic uniques they start with the ones that are actually game breaking instead of the beloved lions eye glare first.

GGG should at least feel proud their playerbase is so immensely passionate about their game. However, threads like these are absolutely exhausting and this will be my last post here regarding the topic.

And for the record, the 8000 life and 81 to all res i really do not need much more resists or life on a glove when i could instead get much more dps, greatly amplify my secondary (frenzy or whatever) and get increased shock duration to help offset the recent nerf to static blows.
As a point of end-game itemization, tfist heavily reduces the value of existing rare gloves almost as much as lions eye diminishes the value of other bows.

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Nephalim wrote:

its unfortunate its come to this. ultimately its in GGG's hands and I hope if it ever comes to a point where they are forced to cripple their signature and iconic uniques they start with the ones that are actually game breaking instead of the beloved lions eye glare first.

What the f**k does this have to do with anything, its pure rhetoric

Lioneyes is broken (in the sense of being imbalanced), it needs to be nerfed

Another major hole in your argument is you are mixing indirect with direct. Kaoms is not directly broken, it has a massive drawback (missing up to 6 slots). The only reason that Khaoms is broken is because life is CURRENTLY so valuable in the game. This is something that is likely to be changed, and when it does, Kaoms will not be as useful as you are making it out to be

The same is for shavronss, as well as all the other items mentioned (im not going over this again)

Lioneyes is directly broken, the actual item, in what it does, is broken. Its not broken because physical DPS is too strong (and it happens to be a very good physical dps weapon), its broken because its values, its abilities, and its non niche nature (you can use lioneyes on any ranger) is broken

Chris has already stated that Lioneyes is broken, it got buffed when it didn't need to get buffed and now we are paying the price.

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deteego wrote:

...and now we are paying the price.

I'm not really seeing it. What's this "price"?

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Courageous wrote:

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deteego wrote:

...and now we are paying the price.

I'm not really seeing it. What's this "price"?

An unbalanced game?

I mean obviously the people with Lioneyes are enjoying it, but stuff like this just causes imbalances in the economy, as it causes people to progress much faster than they should (and while PoE is balanced around an economy, which it currently is, than it is a real problem)

Let them fucking nerf the damn bow then. But if they don't do shit to all the other BROKEN fucking unique items in the game, then I will be upset.

The plain truth is that given the choice between a Kaom's, LG, or Shavs I will always... ALWAYS choose a Kaom's or Shavs.

What is so fucking hard to understand about that? People claim that Kaom's has a drawback? Who gives a damn if there are no sockets in the item???

To call out a bow, and not admit that there are other broken items in the game (even if they have supposed drawbacks) is down right hypocritical.

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deteego wrote:

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Courageous wrote:

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deteego wrote:

...and now we are paying the price.

I'm not really seeing it. What's this "price"?

An unbalanced game?

I mean obviously the people with Lioneyes are enjoying it, but stuff like this just causes imbalances in the economy, as it causes people to progress much faster than they should (and while PoE is balanced around an economy, which it currently is, than it is a real problem)

I have a lion eyes, and there's nothing special about it... The problem that I have, playing as a ranger, is the fucking RANGER TREE. No matter how awesome the damn bow is, there's nothing appealing about that damn tree.

How does an LG allow people to progress through the game? It is a level 67 item and its value is worth significantly less than many of the other broken items called out in this thread.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with the bow. Its accuracy that makes the bow mandatory. How about making accuracy less of a bitch to stack (remove the 95% cap as well) and reasonable to actually get and we can talk about making LG less appealing.

The whole problem around the bow is that accuracy is so damn difficult to acquire when you have OTHER more important affixes to worry about on gear. As a Ranger, I shouldn't have to worry about this when I have DEX up the wazoo. Yet, this bow is one of the two weapons in the game that provides a guarantee (more than 95%) chance to hit.

Other rolls are irrelevant as there are rare bows that outperform it. A Thicket Bow with perfect IAS is only 0.002 APS off (1.798 APS). A perfect Lioneye's Glare has 1.8 APS. In terms of pure Physical Damage, a rare Thicket Bow will win (249% IPD + 45 Flat IPD) . The Mana does not really help given that most if not all archers go with the Blood Magic gem or keystone.

So WHAT makes this bow outstanding? Hits can't be Evaded.