Why does Lioneye's Glare have no drawback?

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Nephalim wrote:

With regards to gear I will admit koams does something far beyond the allowable power curve of items (partly due to rare chest pieces only being able to roll a measly 109 life) and shavs for allowing spell casters to triple their dps at no true drawback. These 2 items are what I would call game breaking and meta defining. Lions eye glare is something i would call a slight oversight and primarily a result of the horrendous crafting system.

Truth.

Apologies for posting again, but some people just say the most ridiculous things.

For those who kept on complaining how Lioneye has no true drawbacks, do note that Shavronne's is also an item with "no true drawbacks" except for the relatively lower ES roll against a hard to find 800+ ES rare chest. Analogously speaking, a Lioneye also has a relatively lower DPS against an excellent, but hard to find rare bow. Lioneye also has the draw back of having low crit chance and doesn't roll any other amazing mods such as critical chance/multipliers or Chaos resists, if desired.

It's Lioneye's 100% accuracy and higher attack speed than what a max rare can roll that makes finding that rare bow very, very difficult since it'd need very high physical or elemental rolls along with high accuracy rolls to compete. If GGG, however, improves accuracy, things will be different and Lioneye's 100% chance to hit will make a much smaller impact.

Shavronne's is the BIS chest for most low-life builds just like Lioneye is the BIS weapon for most physical bow builds--and both items have very few drawbacks. For elemental bow builds, a top-notched rolled rare bow would still be better (but this will be more obviously better if GGG improves accuracy).

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Athoy wrote:

Shavronne's is the BIS chest for most low-life builds just like Lioneye is the BIS weapon for most physical bow builds--and both items have very few drawbacks. For elemental bow builds, a top-notched rolled rare bow would still be better (but this will be more obviously better if GGG improves accuracy).

dont forget void battery only a really few top rolled rare magicsticks can come close
and what about kaoms its a true earthquake in balance after the life node nerfs

but honestly i rather have none of the items nerfed or all (shavrones,void battery,kaoms,LG)

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Athoy wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

With regards to gear I will admit koams does something far beyond the allowable power curve of items (partly due to rare chest pieces only being able to roll a measly 109 life) and shavs for allowing spell casters to triple their dps at no true drawback. These 2 items are what I would call game breaking and meta defining. Lions eye glare is something i would call a slight oversight and primarily a result of the horrendous crafting system.

Truth.

Apologies for posting again, but some people just say the most ridiculous things.

For those who kept on complaining how Lioneye has no true drawbacks, do note that Shavronne's is also an item with "no true drawbacks" except for the relatively lower ES roll against a hard to find 800+ ES rare chest. Analogously speaking, a Lioneye also has a relatively lower DPS against an excellent, but hard to find rare bow. Lioneye also has the draw back of having low crit chance and doesn't roll any other amazing mods such as critical chance/multipliers or Chaos resists, if desired.

It's Lioneye's 100% accuracy and higher attack speed than what a max rare can roll that makes finding that rare bow very, very difficult since it'd need very high physical or elemental rolls along with high accuracy rolls to compete. If GGG, however, improves accuracy, things will be different and Lioneye's 100% chance to hit will make a much smaller impact.

Shavronne's is the BIS chest for most low-life builds just like Lioneye is the BIS weapon for most physical bow builds--and both items have very few drawbacks. For elemental bow builds, a top-notched rolled rare bow would still be better (but this will be more obviously better if GGG improves accuracy).

Difference is Shavronne is a build enabler. It ENABLES low life builds (now that life is nerfed low life, on life based, is impossible). If you aren't going "low-life", shavronne is not actually valuable. Comparable item is Facebreaker. Going unarmed, FB is required. Not unarmed? It is actually not that valuable in the glove slot.

Lion eyes is not a build enabler, as you can have the same build WITHOUT it.

The simple argument is that there should be two types of Uniques
Build Enabling ---------- Upside+downside

I think Lioneyes is very close to being in the correct place, its downside DOES exist, it is just not significant enough. It is not a build enabler, so comparing it to Shavronne is not that valid. Comparing it to Koams is, as Koams is a upside+downside unique.

Another upside+downside unique is something such as Searing Touch. It isn't build enabling, but it does restrict you to fire dmg, and you CAN potentially get better spell dmg, and better ES easily thanks to a shield, so it is not always BiS, though with its upside it can be.

Examples of upside+downside done wrong is some of the other unique bows, which are 'okay', but not nearly good enough to be considered BiS. Especially the chaos based bow, it just does not do any damage in comparison with even a badly rolled bow, and as such its downside is far too significant in relation to its upside (small amount of chaos damage).

So please stop saying that Lioneyes is like shavronne, and is BiS. There is NO aim for BiS, rather compare it in regards to the ACTUAL PoE goals of uniques, being build enabling or upside+downside. Koams has a good argument for having too much upside compared with downside, so does Lioneyes. We don't want these items to be useless, rather more like Searing Touch, where they are good if built into its strengths, but not BiS for everything related to them (lioneyes BiS for elemental and physical MOST of the time, can be beaten by good rolls but its slightly too high up the list atm)

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zzang wrote:

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Athoy wrote:

Shavronne's is the BIS chest for most low-life builds just like Lioneye is the BIS weapon for most physical bow builds--and both items have very few drawbacks. For elemental bow builds, a top-notched rolled rare bow would still be better (but this will be more obviously better if GGG improves accuracy).

dont forget void battery only a really few top rolled rare magicsticks can come close
and what about kaoms its a true earthquake in balance after the life node nerfs

but honestly i rather have none of the items nerfed or all (shavrones,void battery,kaoms,LG)

Void battery is only good when using two of them. If you don't use 2, they're not overly amazing.

If you use 2, you lose a LOT of defense.

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bvnl wrote:

I just dont see why lionseye is broken

1. It has no drawbacks
2. It has the best rolls for Base Physical Damage/Increased Physical Damage
3. It has better than the best rolls for Increased Attack Speed (you can't get 20% attack speed for a rare bows iirc)
4. It has an ability (never can miss) that requires players to travel halfway across to the tree to receive (and even then, they cant crit)
5. Can be pretty much used in any ranger build with the use of a quiver

There is not a single item in the game that fullfills points 1-5. Kaom's Heart has a drawback (no sockets), Shavronne's Wrappings has a mid (not high) ES roll of (420–490). High end ES gear can get 1K + ES

The same could be said for thunderfist.

Also, lions can not get 2 additional resist suffixes like rares can if you want to use low ES on shavs as a 'drawback'.

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Nephalim wrote:

The same could be said for thunderfist.

Also, lions can not get 2 additional resist suffixes like rares can if you want to use low ES on shavs as a 'drawback'.

How are thunderfist equal to or better than ALL other gloves?

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Moosifer wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

The same could be said for thunderfist.

Also, lions can not get 2 additional resist suffixes like rares can if you want to use low ES on shavs as a 'drawback'.

How are thunderfist equal to or better than ALL other gloves?

The OP asks why lionseye has no drawback - thunderfist also has no drawback and has likely the highest dps potential of any glove in the game as well as the ability to essentially 5 link the skill in it.


Actually, it has 2 modifiers rare gloves can not even get.

100% freaking shock duration
level 18 added light
1-100 light (gloves roll 2-28 light)
10 ias (gloves can roll 16 ias)
no life (gloves can roll 99)

Where as lions eyes is inferior to a theoretical but possible rare thicket with
physical dmg %
flat physical
tier 1 light
13 ias

2 suffixes that may be crit , 30 chaos, or 45 resist.

the only thing missing is 100% hit which can be mitigated by RT at a cost of 2 passives and relatively minor dps hit due to lack of crit.


Instead of asking if it has a drawback, ask if a rare item of that same item slot can come close or beat it.

Koams - nope
shavs - nope
lions - yes

rare gloves can roll health resists mana dex/int and MF, as well as high armor/ES/evasion rolls

thunderfists can roll none of those

rare bows cannot roll mf or life, or high base/es/evasion roll

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grepman wrote:

rare gloves can roll health resists mana dex/int and MF, as well as high armor/ES/evasion rolls

thunderfists can roll none of those

rare bows cannot roll mf or life, or high base/es/evasion roll

But rare bows can roll 45 of a single elemental resistance, 30 chaos and crit...?