Why does Lioneye's Glare have no drawback?

Seeing as "hits cant be evaded" is a seperate, non-interger based mod, it would be possible for GGG to simply change the mod to Resolute Technique, no?

That way glare users at least have the downside everyone else with 100% accuracy has.

Erqi has 2 drawback mods, glare has none despite how strong it is. This is a problem.

There are several unique items that have zero draw back. I'll post them when I get back, but I do not like the blend of this conversation. It follows the same lines that D3 took trying to balance everything.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Erqi has 2 drawback mods, glare has none despite how strong it is. This is a problem.

why lobby so much for bow nerf?

nothing wrong in a rpg to have cookie cutter builds which are fairly easy to obtain i saw lioneyes selling in trade chat for 2 exalted

we should talk about shavrones chest nerf here

expensive you say? as if any item deserve to be super OP just because its expensive in fact its expensive because the demand is incredible high (40ex for 6l shavrones) and the demand is high because the item simply is OP.

low es you say? pff as if 500 energyshield would be low especially if we look at the amazing possibilities this armor offers for the high end builds.

I also really demand a no trade league with greatly increased drop chances for the good stuff
where prices cant get fucked because there are no prices i bet people would bitch a lot less.

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johnce6 wrote:

Absolutely no reason to nerf this item some people just like to spread misery. It is not OP it is a nice item and there are tons of uniques that have 0 drawbacks and not every item should have a drawback there is no reason simply good items can't exist.

It's existence spreads misery.

Dear GGG, I have one of these:


It is better than 99% of high-end bows I have ever seen, it is the best bow for every bow build except for EA I have ever made, and it needs to be balanced. I would like to actually think about what item I want to use for the end-game, not be told. Please balance this unique so that it can be more interesting.

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Catchafire2000 wrote:

There are several unique items that have zero draw back. I'll post them when I get back, but I do not like the blend of this conversation. It follows the same lines that D3 took trying to balance everything.

All uniques used to have interesting downsides.

There has been an alarming trend recently that they should just be "slightly worse than BiS rares". It's not the right thing to do. If anything, these uniques are more of the D3 style of bad itemization. Balancing them doesn't make them more like D3 at all.

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Catchafire2000 wrote:

There are several unique items that have zero draw back. I'll post them when I get back, but I do not like the blend of this conversation. It follows the same lines that D3 took trying to balance everything.

Not every unique item needs a drawback because most uniques aren't actually that strong. Lioneye's on the other hand is comparitively, to random bows you can roll at its level, simply better.

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pneuma wrote:

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johnce6 wrote:

Absolutely no reason to nerf this item some people just like to spread misery. It is not OP it is a nice item and there are tons of uniques that have 0 drawbacks and not every item should have a drawback there is no reason simply good items can't exist.

It's existence spreads misery.

Dear GGG, I have one of these:

It is better than 99% of high-end bows I have ever seen, it is the best bow for every bow build except for EA I have ever made, and it needs to be balanced. I would like to actually think about what item I want to use for the end-game, not be told. Please balance this unique so that it can be more interesting.

Have you ever actually tried lions eye vs a similar ele thicket? If your determination of power is solely based on the fact that the latter needs RT (2 passives and no crit) then you are dead wrong. Thats one reason but far from the most important reason.

And how rare is an equivalent elemental thicket?

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Nephalim wrote:

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pneuma wrote:

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johnce6 wrote:

Absolutely no reason to nerf this item some people just like to spread misery. It is not OP it is a nice item and there are tons of uniques that have 0 drawbacks and not every item should have a drawback there is no reason simply good items can't exist.

It's existence spreads misery.

Dear GGG, I have one of these:

It is better than 99% of high-end bows I have ever seen, it is the best bow for every bow build except for EA I have ever made, and it needs to be balanced. I would like to actually think about what item I want to use for the end-game, not be told. Please balance this unique so that it can be more interesting.

Have you ever actually tried lions eye vs a similar ele thicket? If your determination of power is solely based on the fact that the latter needs RT (2 passives and no crit) then you are dead wrong. Thats one reason but far from the most important reason.

I've been playing for 1.5 years. I've tried it before it was OP extensively. It used to do less damage and it was on a level 5X bow. Very strong and endgame viable, and could be beaten by more specialized rare bows with a little effort. The "Cannot Hit" mod made it interesting even without absurd power due to on-hit effects like knockback and life gain on hit.

I'm using it now when it stomps the shit out of every other bow in the game except for a mythical 40ex+ rare thicket with perfect rolls. Even then it doesn't account for the fact that accuracy counts twice for crit rolls. Going from 90% to 100% accuracy is more than an 11% final damage multiplier if you have any crit at all. RT doesn't count since it disables crits entirely (which are a large (read: ~20% on builds with Lethality/DeadlyDraw)) final damage multiplier.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

And how rare is an equivalent elemental thicket?

Rare but far less expensive. I sold a 324 dps (200 ele dps) phys/light/fire 13 ias thicket for 15 ex not too long ago. Even now, a lionseye 6l for a crap roll is still 18 or so exalts.

The issue is that lions eye drop like candy while no one really tries to craft anymore due to the orb system. They have also depreciated from 30 exalt from a few months ago to a mere 2 ex either by supply increase or ggg vastly increasing their drop rate

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I've been playing for 1.5 years. I've tried it before it was OP extensively. It used to do less damage and it was on a level 5X bow. Very strong and endgame viable, and could be beaten by more specialized rare bows with a little effort. The "Cannot Hit" mod made it interesting even without absurd power due to on-hit effects like knockback and life gain on hit.

I'm using it now when it stomps the shit out of every other bow in the game except for a mythical 40ex+ rare thicket with perfect rolls. Even then it doesn't account for the fact that accuracy counts twice for crit rolls. Going from 90% to 100% accuracy is more than an 11% final damage multiplier if you have any crit at all. RT doesn't count since it disables crits entirely (which are a large (read: ~20% on builds with Lethality/DeadlyDraw)) final damage multiplier.

I need some details on the builds (gear, passive, auras, health vs dps ratio) used to compare an ele thicket vs lions. Youre making a blanket statement that a lions outdps an equiv ele thicket under any situation which is flat out wrong. I am not talking about a 40 ex bow im talking about a 12-16 ex one which is still less than a crap rolled 6 lions.

Are you using blackgleams, are you using hatred(and in essence forced to use BM gem), are you using iron grip and are you calculating the passives lost from not being able to use rare quiver and most importantly are you also accounting for health/armor/resist in conjunction with dps.