No respec options? No thanks.
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If playing the game more than once with other characters is painful for you guys, then this only gives the impression, that you don't like the content of the game and are only interested in getting the best build and own other players in PvP in a faster way. Come on guys, this isn't a FPS game, where you can change builds on the fly like in some funky game like Team Fortress 2!
With my first character, that went up to 64 in HC until he died and became mortal in Default now, I did screw him up pretty badly although I thought that build is good, it was total crap for Chaos of Maelstrom and I fixed it with the available respec points from the quests AND trading to get enough Regret orbs, had to reallocate around 25 skills and for me it was fun to play the game until I got enough Regret Orbs, because while I was farming them I got some other good items as well, some rares, tons of different currency items and skill gems. Everyone, who wants a quick respec option in this game seems like is forgetting the fact, that while you are farming with your unpolished build character, you have a chance of getting some nice drops from monsters (even if you are doing that in a lower level zone). And I've read that some people said, that you have lost your game, if your build isn't worth anything - I can agree with that. If your build is crap, you have lost the game, reroll, because that's not the developers fault if you screwed up your choices in an open choice scenario, where passive skill pints aren't bound to a certain class. And to be honest, the leveling curve isn't hard in this game and you can easily reroll a 20 level character in a couple of hours and I don't think that's a huge pain in the butt, because you have quite a large chance of getting some goodies while you do that - alchemy orbs, rares, uniques etc. I like this game with the current respec options available and would still love the game if it wouldn't have any respec options, because people only truly learn if they have to face consequences for their mistakes, if they don't they will keep doing mistakes over and over again and if you can't think about your choices yourself, trust other people and use other people made builds, which basically removes a big RPG element of a game - skill planning and management, play some shooter or action games, if you don't like to plan out your skills in advance. There are two ways to build a barn, one with no preparation and by building it on the go, other by using a drawn plan with calculations where each and every plank will go and how big it will be. Those people who need full respecs want to smash down the barn in one click, just because they didn't do their homework - so immature. Currently by analogue you have to tare down the barn from top to bottom and maybe leave the bottom and rebuild only the things, that were created faulty - Orbs of Regreat. All I can say about people, who want full respecs in this game, totally suck in it and I vote for having them suffer by going through the whole content again from level 1 just so they actually learn something from their mistakes. Last edited by Voldzito#4785 on Feb 20, 2012, 8:52:19 AM
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" actually - with full respec: there will be lots of high level chars, battling on the upper end of the game, switching their path on demand... and a dead world with nearly no population behind them: the gameplay itself goes lost, if >>> of the people have no reason to replay it from the start. invited by timer @ 10.12.2011
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" For someone throwing around words like strawman left and right you sure love to blatantly take your own opinion as fact, not unlike many others in this thread. Anyway, ask yourself who is going to make GGG more money. Casuals who want this game to be more and more like WoW, or true fans of the genre who have been waiting for a game like this for years and actually agree with GGG's design philosophy. One of those groups will inevitably switch to D3 once it comes out because it has everything they are looking for, while the other might actually enjoy and support PoE for years. I'm sure GGG never expected PoE to become bigger than D3. They would be crazy to, being a small indie company developing their first game. However, if only 10% of D3's playerbase (the "hardcore" players as you guys like to call them) recognizes PoE as the better game and supports it, their first game will be a big success. For everyone else looking for respecs and such, a new game is coming out that has everything you want and more, and it's name is Diablo III. Trying to beat Blizzard at their own game by pleasing casuals will never work, the ones who can afford it will still move to D3 once it comes out and the ones who can't will never spend a dime on PoE. They would only drive away the people who actually support what GGG is doing. Last edited by Fwib#1607 on Feb 20, 2012, 9:00:24 AM
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" very good post. The fact I've quoted seems to be one of the typical facts there: they give you an option for a limited respec (with the regrets) but instead of accepting that helping finger the unpleased players demand the whole hand, some of them even both hands... ^^ invited by timer @ 10.12.2011
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" Yea...no.. People are playing alts.. because they love to to do it.. not because they have to. |
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" And they love to do it because every alt will have a new unique spec which plays differently than any of the chars they had before, if they could simply respec their "main character" into any playstyle they wanted making an alt wouldn't be nearly as much fun. | |
"Once again an example of not giving reasons to support your opinion. "You expect that somehow a player will roll, say, a bow ranger, then 10+ hours in abruptly get multiple personality disorder and decide they don't like bows, and rather than roll a new character like you would in any other MMORPG, they're going to painstakingly reset nearly every passive. That's NOT what the respec system is designed for, even though ironically it's perfectly doable at the moment. Just trade an exalted orb or two and you can reset nearly anything. You're coming up with totally unrealistic demands. No major MMORPG, not even the ultra-casual Guild Wars allows you to change primary class with a respec. What you're asking is tantamount to changing your calling in Rift. Passive points are not intended to be armor that a player just takes on and off. We already have armor for that. Passive points are a semi-permanent way to differentiate and specialize a character. If you take away the consequences of a character's passive build you've resigned every character to be the same, and the devs might as well just remove the whole system entirely. I'm also finding it bizarre that players would suggest a reset at level 30. If you're not that far into the game and don't like your passives, just start on the new path and reset the ones you won't need as you go. The game is very generous with reset points already. "More examples of not giving reasons to support your opinion. You keep insisting that having decisions with little to no consequence is a good thing yet can't say why. "Tell me, how many times have you used the respec system? I've reset about 24 points or so, and plan to respec 12 more. It was not at all difficult. Eight came from free respec points, ten more from randomly finding them. I could have potentially bought about 20 more from the vendor, but I chose to get them from people who offered to sell them in the chat or buy my stuff when I posted it. Even with 12 points I still have to reset I'm still blasting through chaos with no trouble. It's no problem at all. |
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" Again.. No.. people who want try to new spec will just rush the content.. People who like alting are palying it because they love to play their spec from the scratch ... Take me for example.. I have 5 shamans in WoW..why? because I just want try different builds from the level 1 (same with diablo..all my current diablo 2 characters have all three respec unused ..yet I have like 8 sorcs) Alting is fun for tons of people.. trying different builds from the level 1..collecting new gear etc.. Forced alting is bad.. I am not talking about free and instant respec system.. If some drawbacks will be there..fine...but full respec should be in the game..period.. because if rushing content wont be possible like in Diablo 2 ..tons of players who just hate alting will leave and never look back. |
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" There are a lot people with the opinion to play only one char at all (the one they identify with at most)... And, seriously, the people are lazy (I dont take me out from this, in general), so if there is an option to redo some decisions, at least some people will use it - even if they counted for the opionion of not needing it before... invited by timer @ 10.12.2011
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" The thread is right there, you might want to Google what a strawman argument is. Hint, it isn't something you just disagree with. The funny thing is, you go on to complain about people wanting the game to be like WoW. Yeah, except NO ONE has said that. Strawman. This is common. You have no argument, so you rail against turning the game into WoW. Time to deal in reality, not your imagined issues. FFA loot sucks. Last edited by Die_Scream#5464 on Feb 20, 2012, 5:14:56 PM
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