Gameplay Help and Discussion - No respec options? No thanks. - Forum

" kodr wrote: Yeah but ultimately, you can make the choice even before playing the game. "They don't have respec? Screw that, I'm playing something else". It's as easy as that. There's a saying about judging a book by its cover... It's not like anyone is going to waste money on the game only find out that there are no respecs, as you would in a non-F2P game. " kodr wrote: I want to enjoy the game with my friends and have fun. It's ok to have to make choices to maximize my character's effectiveness. It's not to have to reroll a character if I made the wrong choice and the respec system isn't enough. You really have to make a lot of really bad choices to create an unplayable character that can't be fixed with the current respec system. Personally, if I ruined a character, I wouldn't get upset at the game and quit. I would see it as a challenge to find out what I did wrong and create a more effective character. This "the end is near" type of talk about everyone quitting because the game isn't forgiving enough to let you respec on a whim isn't accurate at all. Closed Beta/Alpha Tester back after a 10-year hiatus. First in the credits! Last edited by WhiteBoy#6717 on Feb 19, 2012, 8:43:50 PM	Posted by WhiteBoy#6717 on Feb 19, 2012, 8:42:30 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
And then those games die out because the kids who asked for the easy mode rubbish either complain the game is to easy or they scream for even more ridiculous things like buying gear, getting all gear in 1 kill and other dumb things and when they don't get their way they quit and try to bully some other devs. The games that last with players that don't give up on it are those which stick to their guns and don't bow to kiddy pressure	Posted by WarBarney#4635 on Feb 19, 2012, 8:43:27 PM Quote this Post
" WarBarney wrote: And then those games die out because the kids who asked for the easy mode rubbish either complain the game is to easy or they scream for even more ridiculous things like buying gear, getting all gear in 1 kill and other dumb things and when they don't get their way they quit and try to bully some other devs. The games that last with players that don't give up on it are those which stick to their guns and don't bow to kiddy pressure You are the master of the strawman, seriously. "And then those games die out". Nope, none did. Are you suggesting that games with no respec will last longer because that feature is missing? Haha. "kids who asked for the easy mode" "getting all gear in 1 kill" Boy, I can argue against those "kids" (yawn) all day! What's that? Oh, no one has ever said anything remotely close to that? How about you calm down and try to be a little bit reasonable. Also, I doubt that Mark and the gang at GGG are feeling threatened by the bad bullys discussing resepcs, lol. FFA loot sucks. Last edited by Die_Scream#5464 on Feb 19, 2012, 9:26:58 PM	Posted by Die_Scream#5464 on Feb 19, 2012, 9:16:34 PM Quote this Post
As long as they keep the hardcore league 'hardcore', they can introduce as many respec options as they like in the default league. Sounds like a good compromise to me. :)	Posted by Akazukin#4608 on Feb 19, 2012, 9:33:21 PM Quote this Post
" WhiteBoy88 wrote: Personally, if I ruined a character, I wouldn't get upset at the game and quit. I would see it as a challenge to find out what I did wrong and create a more effective character. That's exactly what you can do with respec. Only it doesn't take as much time and stops your progress in the game.	Posted by Sickness#1007 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:08:26 PM Quote this Post
yeah, putting points in a passive tree is so hardcore... how about being challenged by the actual gameplay and the difficulty of the game for a change? Putting points in a skill tree is irrelevant if you can't use your real skill (I mean the way you position yourself and use your skills, the actual gameplay). That's why the "no-respec" is a nonsense. See how Guild Wars did? And the game isn't really casual friendly, but there's free respec. Try to think about it for a sec, WarBarney. PoE forums ignore list script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/162657 0.4: added "ignore" button. ignore list is now saved locally. Last edited by kodr#0209 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:14:20 PM	Posted by kodr#0209 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:12:15 PM Quote this Post
" Sickness wrote: That's exactly what you can do with respec. Only it doesn't take as much time and stops your progress in the game. The way I see it, if your character sucks so badly it can't keep up with content, you've lost the game. You should have to start over instead of fixing it on the fly. Please try again, as the old arcade games would say. Closed Beta/Alpha Tester back after a 10-year hiatus. First in the credits!	Posted by WhiteBoy#6717 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:31:20 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
Well we can't argue that arcades are still phenomenally successful right? Probably because of the lack of respec in the games you didn't save...because there were arcade cabinets. Just as I said, the arguments become more and more desperate, and in this case, nonsensical. FFA loot sucks. Last edited by Die_Scream#5464 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:48:52 PM	Posted by Die_Scream#5464 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:34:24 PM Quote this Post
" WhiteBoy88 wrote: Please try again, as the old arcade games would say. Geez.... we have 2012 and ppl like you want them to make game based on early 90's design principles. And this was mentioned on these forum numerous times. Srsly i dont know what to say atm. Or i know.... do this so on and we will both mourn in 2013 reading news on GGG closure. "Arcade games" lol. What kind of stupid argument ill read next? Srsly.... shot me with you best.	Posted by Kabraxis#1526 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:41:16 PM Quote this Post
" Kabraxis wrote: " WhiteBoy88 wrote: " kabraxis wrote: Current system forces you to play character that you dont want to play to achieve posssibility to play with other build. No, it doesn't. You always have the ability to play another character. You're definitely not forced to play one you don't like. With another char i get respec points for him not for char that i want respec. And if for example i have one 80lvl char and i want respec it u want me to make lvl 1 Witch and grind 70 regret orbs? Or spam chat for hours... no.... for days to trade for 70 regret orbs? Good Joke. Its fucked system. I dont have better but its sooooooooo fucked up. :) I would pay 20$ for respec only to not use this idiotic and punishing system. Its just called bad design - end of story for me. Ad i will not discuss this further because: 1. I give some solutions already 2. I really dont care because atm game is not that good to invest that much time to get to lvl 80 or smth. 3. I dont see how buying respec in shop is gamebreaking advantage. An no respec in game (or even in Item Shop) WILL LOWER PLAYERBASE, MAYBE EVEN DRASTICALLY. I play too many games (F2P included) to not see this and if someone tells otherwise is delusional. See people, this nonsense is exactly what I mean when I say people are complaining about the respec system without ever actually having tried it. #1. They assume that you'll somehow need 70 regret orbs. PROTIP: Unless you're switching to an entirely different type of character (i.e. spells to wands), that will NEVER happen. #2. They whine over and over again about how it's "fucked" and give no reason. Have you even TRIED using the system? I have. I've respecced about 20 points and plan to respec 12 more. It did not require me to spam for "days" at all. It's nowhere as bad as you describe it. " Kabraxis wrote: "I'm still waiting for anyone to address the fact that there's already a respec system in place which they simply chose to neglect and instead ignorantly deleted their character." Personally i dont care that there will be full respecs in PoE but current system isnt helping players that want respec because they dont like their character efficiency or playstyle. Why you want respec? because you dont want to play with char you already have and with skill you already have and with build that you already have. Current system forces you to play character that you dont want to play to achieve posssibility to play with other build. Why? becuse you need orbs from drops or points from quests... you may trade ofc but you must have something to barter.. so you must play. You want big respec? Play for long hours with you onlychar that you want to respec and pray that you will not unnistal game in rage before this will happen. In couple words: You hate something and you must do this even more to change anything. This is respec system in PoE. Great system srsly :) Its simply bad system and im not suprised that someine that want play with something different will neglect system that forces him to do more things he dont like. My honest and friendly advice is that GGG should reconsider some of they design decisions because they are simply BAD. They are not cater to hardcore players - thay are carer to ...... no one. Not even World of Warcraft with their dual-spec nonsense has such a generous respec system! PoE is generous enough to allow you to play a given "class" in many different ways, and all of a sudden you demand to be able to switch between any of them without a second thought! If someone starts a warlock in World of Warcraft, and decides they don't like it, do they freak out and leave the game immediately, or do they just roll another character? I don't see why the same shouldn't apply here. Last edited by Strill#1101 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:49:37 PM	Posted by Strill#1101 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:48:16 PM Quote this Post