No respec options? No thanks.

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Die_Scream wrote:

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Fwib wrote:

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Die_Scream wrote:

I got news for you, not only does every witch/temp/Mara feel the same now, people are complaining even the classes feel the same to each other, right now, on page one.

For someone throwing around words like strawman left and right you sure love to blatantly take your own opinion as fact, not unlike many others in this thread.

The thread is right there, you might want to Google what a strawman argument is. Hint, it isn't something you just disagree with.

Completely missed the point.

What I'm saying is if you're trying so hard to point out flaws in other peoples arguments one would think you'd at least try to make a solid argument yourself instead of just taking your own opinions and presenting them as facts.

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Completely missed the point.

What I'm saying is if you're trying so hard to point out flaws in other peoples arguments one would think you'd at least try to make a solid argument yourself instead of just taking your own opinions and presenting them as facts. [/quote]

Again, the reasons have been posted, from the OP on. What I'd like to see, is you or the other anti people actually come up with a reason besides the WoW/all gear in one kill/turn the game into../ bullshit.

So far, that is all you got.

EDIT: At this point, I'm going to bow out of the thread. I said my piece, and have no interest in being angry with any of you over a game. GGG will decide, either way, I like the game.

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The funny thing is, you go on to complain about people wanting the game to be like WoW. Yeah, except NO ONE has said that. Strawman.

This is common. You have no argument, so you rail against turning the game into WoW. Time to deal in reality, not your imagined issues.

I like how I mention WoW one time in a long post and you choose to respond to that and ignore everything else. WoW is just the biggest example of several modern games that inspire threads about respecs and various other complaints like it. I thought that was pretty easy to understand but apparently not. I could've just said respecs instead of WoW and my argument wouldn't change one bit.

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Again, the reasons have been posted, from the OP on. What I'd like to see, is you or the other anti people actually come up with a reason besides the WoW/all gear in one kill/turn the game into../ bullshit.

People have posted plenty of reasons, in this thread and the many others like it. Then again, you would have seen that so I guess you just put everything you don't agree with under "bullshit".

I think Strill said it well a couple of posts back: "Passive points are not intended to be armor that a player just takes on and off. We already have armor for that. Passive points are a semi-permanent way to differentiate and specialize a character. If you take away the consequences of a character's passive build you've resigned every character to be the same, and the devs might as well just remove the whole system entirely."

Personally I haven't played WoW not a single second and I am glad, that I haven't and many of ex-wow players would say, that it's a good thing I haven't tried it, because it sucks and hard! I've seen many of my friends sinking into WoW, some of them were earning real money with it as they said (gold farming), it's a total crap game, that should have died long time ago, yet it still lives because of Blizzards artificial life support, without it it would have been long gone. The way they have crippled and twisted Diablo 3 into something similar to WoW is an abomination to this type of games and I am glad, that PoE isn't going into that direction and I DO HOPE THEY WON'T LISTEN TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU, who brag about crap like this.

Things I've heard:
"... This game sucks because of full respec option ..."
"... The skill tree sucks, because there is no manual on how to use it ..."
"... How come there is a shared stash throughout all the characters, this sucks..."
"... How do you level up your skill gems ..."
"... Can you unsocket skill gems ..."
"... Grinding orbs is boring ..."
"... I've screwed up my character, but I don't want to start over or play this character anymore, what should I do..."
"... How come orbs don't stack up to 500..."

... and the list could go for a long time.

Face it, GGG can't and won't please every single person and every single person's wishes, especially irrational ones. If something deeply obsess you in this game, then don't play it, play those games, that HAVE those features you describe, but DON'T ask GGG to copy things from OTHER games, play those games instead!

There is a Respec option in this game, a good one, if you don't like it, that's your issue. If you want to make a good and balanced out character with good skill tree, YOU WILL HAVE TO PLAN, YOU WILL HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME MORE, YOU WILL HAVE TO SACRIFICE TIME, because streaming to completion and perfection does and will always require MORE effort than for those, who can settle being in the optimal range.

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Die_Scream wrote:

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odbj wrote:

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, cry-baby :D

You guys need better representation than this guy and whiteboy. At least someone who reads the posts they respond to.

I read the post. And it essentially amounted to whining.
Just look at the thread title.

"No respec options? No thanks."

That title smacks of entitlement and nonconstructive feedback.

God forbid that there be consequences for haphazard decision making in a game, or a need for long term planning.

The concreteness of a characters stats and skills is characteristic of the ARPGs of old that many of us fell in love with. It doesn't make sense within the context of the game to have a character that developed from level 1 through 90 learning how to be a summoning necromancer to all of a sudden become a heavy hitting frost mage on a whim.

A darker themed ARPG shouldn't have to cater to the spoilt WoW crowd. There is value in a game being unforgiving.

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odbj wrote:

It doesn't make sense within the context of the game to have a character that developed from level 1 through 90 learning how to be a summoning necromancer to all of a sudden become a heavy hitting frost mage on a whim.

Yes it does.


You are really overracting on the effect a more available respec would have.
In all those games uou talk about people effectively respeced by starting a new character. Forcing people to do that doesn't add anything. It diminishes the "character" aspect and makes it just a vessel that you can throw in the garbage witout a second thought.

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Die_Scream wrote:

What I'd like to see, is you or the other anti people actually come up with a reason besides the WoW/all gear in one kill/turn the game into../ bullshit.

So far, that is all you got.

For anyone interested in hearing the same old arguments again, you can search and find multiple threads spanning months of time containing pages upon pages of this exact same conversation, as well as some decent ones where people didn't resort to personal insults.

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Sickness wrote:

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odbj wrote:

It doesn't make sense within the context of the game to have a character that developed from level 1 through 90 learning how to be a summoning necromancer to all of a sudden become a heavy hitting frost mage on a whim.

Yes it does.

Why? What justification is there for that? You want to play a totally different build on a whim for negligible inconvenience. If so, why do we even start at 1, and why can't we just change classes but keep xp?

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Anomandaris wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

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odbj wrote:

It doesn't make sense within the context of the game to have a character that developed from level 1 through 90 learning how to be a summoning necromancer to all of a sudden become a heavy hitting frost mage on a whim.

Yes it does.

Why? What justification is there for that? You want to play a totally different build on a whim for negligible inconvenience. If so, why do we even start at 1, and why can't we just change classes but keep xp?

What?

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Anomandaris wrote:

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What?

You claim it makes sense. How? Why?