No respec options? No thanks.

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KillyPCP wrote:

No Respecs other than Orbs of Regret? Yeah this seems like a great idea.

Patch Notes 1.XX

Congrats your build is now useless! Feel free to spend a 100 Regret orbs to fine tune your new build.

Or better yet discard that character that you've spend countless hours on to re roll.

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Also everything about this game is completely intuitive and people will in no way ever discover that their build doesn't quite work out in practice as it does in theory.

That's why people should only use what every agrees is OP/Effective.

Brb rolling AoF for the .98x build.

You must be new.
In every patch that wasn't a wipe (which should only be to remove legacy items), we've gotten a full respec for every character.
Also, the passives should be a lot less volatile once the game is released. They're shifting a lot now because they're, y'know, beta testing the game.

After playing the game some more, I'm beggining to think that the current system is fine. However it could use a lot of improving:

- Protection from accidental misclicks. There should be an undo last perk option that allows unlimited respec of the single most recently spent perk selection. (Can only be used once until the refunded point is spent again, and again after that).

- Make the quest that awards two free respec points repeatable, so if players want more respec points they can grind them.

- If perks or the skill tree are ever changed, give every player a full free respec

- Add a perk planner like the one on this website into the game, with a tutorial in the opening section encouraging new players to use it.

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bhavv wrote:

- Protection from accidental misclicks. There should be an undo last perk option that allows unlimited respec of the single most recently spent perk selection. (Can only be used once until the refunded point is spent again, and again after that).

Already planned. Something like "confirm skill points" when you go to close the tree after making a change.

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bhavv wrote:

- Make the quest that awards two free respec points repeatable, so if players want more respec points they can grind them.

Far too easy and makes regrets worthless. After you start to use respecs for an advantage instead of just for mistakes, you'll realize how powerful respecs are (and probably understand why an unlimited full respec system would be pants-on-head retarded in a game with a ladder).

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bhavv wrote:

- If perks or the skill tree are ever changed, give every player a full free respec

That's been the case thus far. It'll have to be an executive decision after release.

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bhavv wrote:

- Add a perk planner like the one on this website into the game, with a tutorial in the opening section encouraging new players to use it.

Absolutely. There's a good thread in passive feedback about a "beginner" tree or highlighted beginner paths (though I'm not sure they're needed, but it's worth trying out).

Planning needs to be added in-game more than any other feature currently planned, and I'm not sure how much more loudly that sentiment has to come out before GGG pays attention. This thread from December has the cleanest example I've seen to date (and I try to pimp it as often as I can).

The website is nice, but doesn't hold a candle to in-game.

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pneuma wrote:

(and probably understand why an unlimited full respec system would be pants-on-head retarded in a game with a ladder)

I'm fine with respec points as they are, but why would that be "retarded" just because there's a ladder? If anyone can respec, then it's not an advantage.

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pneuma wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

- Make the quest that awards two free respec points repeatable, so if players want more respec points they can grind them.

Far too easy and makes regrets worthless. After you start to use respecs for an advantage instead of just for mistakes, you'll realize how powerful respecs are (and probably understand why an unlimited full respec system would be pants-on-head retarded in a game with a ladder).

What if it was only repeatable every 12 hours after gaining the 8 current points?

Would anti - respec people still hate that?

Items in this game dont even have any worth, theres no in game currency and hopefully there wont ever be.

Not going to read 32 pages but imo it's one of the biggest problems with this game. The fact that we have to trade/find/vendor like 50 Regret orbs just to respec is ridiculous. I seriously did try making new characters but I found the grind of the early levels to be so incredibly boring that I never made it past level 5 on any of them (a witch and a marauder). This game is already grindy enough. Add a respec option or you'll be making a huge mistake. Just my opinion. If you want to make us pay money for it, I'm fine with that as well (you guys have to make money somehow) but don't make it more than a few bucks tops since it's a critical part of the game. I'm sure amidst these 32 pages there's been a lot of discussion about "having no respec means your decisions are more important!!" but the fact that there's a respec option already, albeit incredibly tedious, kind of contradicts that point. If you want to make your points important then remove regret orbs altogether.

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pneuma wrote:

Far too easy and makes regrets worthless. After you start to use respecs for an advantage instead of just for mistakes, you'll realize how powerful respecs are (and probably understand why an unlimited full respec system would be pants-on-head retarded in a game with a ladder).

1. Pretending that 3rd parties won't be selling orbs of regrets for real money to give people an advantage. Sure the people can get banned, but good luck catching them.

2. If everyone has the ability to reset, then it doesn't provide any advantage whatsoever.

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ECZen354 wrote:

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pneuma wrote:

Far too easy and makes regrets worthless. After you start to use respecs for an advantage instead of just for mistakes, you'll realize how powerful respecs are (and probably understand why an unlimited full respec system would be pants-on-head retarded in a game with a ladder).

1. Pretending that 3rd parties won't be selling orbs of regrets for real money to give people an advantage. Sure the people can get banned, but good luck catching them.

2. If everyone has the ability to reset, then it doesn't provide any advantage whatsoever.

Not to mention that everybody and their dog will be using the FOTM builds from the forum for each class anyway in the ladders.

Also, no confirmation before exiting the orb screen after clicking one is an incredibly bad oversight, GGG. I am used to clicking/drag to move the tree from the website planner, go to do that in game and you might select an orb by mistake. This really should be fixed yesterday.

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ECZen354 wrote:

1. Pretending that 3rd parties won't be selling orbs of regrets for real money to give people an advantage. Sure the people can get banned, but good luck catching them.

You're touching on a much larger subject than just respec. Of course a second market is going to exist and regrets will be relatively easy to obtain in and out of game. I have said that I don't find regret orbs particularly hard to find, right? Why is this an argument for a full respec in game?

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

I'm fine with respec points as they are, but why would that be "retarded" just because there's a ladder? If anyone can respec, then it's not an advantage.

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ECZen354 wrote:

2. If everyone has the ability to reset, then it doesn't provide any advantage whatsoever.

True, I concede that.

Right now the lack of being able to fully respec gives players running FOTM and imbalanced builds a significant advantage over someone running a personal build that won't be as good.

There is absolutely no possible way that every skill tree progression can be kept valid, players running a build that they simply like are disadvantaged in the ladders compared to players running the most powerful builds.

Any kind of ladder / PVP / competitive play requires full fast and easy respec options to remove build bias and give everyone the same chance. I would want to have my own personal build to use in PVE like my cold templar, plus the ability to respec into whatever is the best build possible if I want a shot at winning ladder prizes and the medal.

Orbs of regret do not provide a suitable way of easily switching between my PVE and ladder builds. The build I have chosen to play because it looks good on paper will most likely be far from the strongest possible ladder and competitive builds, and having to use my personal build for those gameplay types will put me at an unfair disadvantage.

Buying 60-100 respec orbs to swap between my personal and competitive builds is asking for far too much.