No respec options? No thanks.

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whywhyhow wrote:

1: Your Char becomes more unique and personal for You.

You got it backwards.

The single worst aspect of the ARPG genre is not being able to respec. I can't think of any previous game in the genre where respeccing wasn't possible, even in past games which disallow respeccing, you could easily install a mod that enabled it, but that can't be done in online games.

Getting to level 60 and realizing that you've hugely messed your character up with no decent way of fixing it will annoy more players than it pleases. We don't all have an OCD for constantly deleting and rerolling characters when something messes up, and the skill tree in this game is such a terrible mess that mistakes are going to happen for most players.

If you do however want to keep the game the way it is without respecs available for the casual gamers, then feel free to do so and enjoy only have a couple of hundred players left a month after launch.

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pneuma wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

Respecs would make the game better not worse, and thats a fact.

No, that's an opinion.

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bhavv wrote:

hardly anyone likes being stuck to playing the same build on their characters, just about every decent modern RPG allows respecs, the people who for some reason dont want it are a vocal minority.

How about... make a new character? There's 20 slots in the account for a reason. You must not have played any RPG before 2004 to make sweeping statements like that.

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bhavv wrote:

If you dont want to respec then dont respec. Having the option for players who want to isnt a negative to these kind of games, it makes them better.

If you don't want to make a new character, then don't make a new character. Having the option for players who don't want to isnt a negative to these kind of games, it makes them better.

1) An opinion shared by most RPG fans that would make the game much more enjoyable.

2) Games before 2004 aren't exactly 'modern', but even Dia lo 2, Baldues Gate, and Sacred have respecs available via mods.

3) You're being ignorant on purpose. Its funny that so many more long time fans of these games prefer being able to respec, as is evident from the Diablo community, yet a select few people here think they are better and more elite than everyone else because they have an OCD for making new characters.

Enjoy a game with such a ridiculously confusing skill tree and no respecs. Buy dont be whining when no one else is playing it a month after it launches because they would rather play Diablo III instead.

What the hell is up with people and their "need simplicity or I'm out, duuur!"? Reroll a character instead and try a new build. If your build gets nerfed and you don't like it anymore, start anew, or grind your way up to 111 regret stones. It's not impossible, it's not even that hard, takes time and effort. Why does everything have to be so goddamn effortless these days?

Respecs isn't about simplicity, its about not having to grind all over again.

Gameplay wise there is nothing challenging about this game anyway, everything is 100% simple, run around and kill things is all you do. Allowing respecs doesn't do anything to simplify the game, and most modern RPGs that include respecs are actually far more harder, challenging and less simple than this easy 'no skill required at all' game is.

What is so enjoyable about playing through the same easy game on 20 different characters? Id rather be able to explore every possible option with just one character for each class.

There are very very few people who will actually enjoy playing this game as it currently is rather than playing Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2 or Torchlight 2 instead. The point of a beta is to provide feedback, and I want this game to be equally enjoyable and competitive with all the other big name games coming out soon.

In its current form, players will simply be severely ticked off when they can't respec, or even undo a skill choice when leveling up that this alone will drive them away to another game.

This isn't 1995 anymore as the OP says, and lack of a respec option has never been a factor that contributed possitively to either the enjoyment or challenge of a game.

Thing is, however, there is a respec option already in the game. Orb of regret, as someone already stated, for 1 Exalted and 2-3 GCP's you will get an entire respec.

The grind is part of these games, has been for as long as I can remember, and I've played games for as long as I have lived (more or less).

Heck, if you want to respec at will, why don't we just give you the gear and the levels too? Or should we opt in an option so you can instant level too? And whenever a item drops a window pops up that asks you want kind of item, rarity, bonuses you'd like it to be?

Can you see where I'm getting at?

There is an option for your respec, it's the same option you have with leveling, gear and currency in-game. You kill monsters to be able to do it all. Don't like it? Fine, but it is what these games offer.

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bhavv wrote:

1) An opinion shared by most RPG fans that would make the game much more enjoyable.

2) Games before 2004 aren't exactly 'modern', but even Dia lo 2, Baldues Gate, and Sacred have respecs available via mods.

3) You're being ignorant on purpose. Its funny that so many more long time fans of these games prefer being able to respec, as is evident from the Diablo community, yet a select few people here think they are better and more elite than everyone else because they have an OCD for making new characters.

Enjoy a game with such a ridiculously confusing skill tree and no respecs. Buy dont be whining when no one else is playing it a month after it launches because they would rather play Diablo III instead.

Citing the respecs available in other games in single-player mods isn't a good debate strategy. PoE has no offline mode, and no ability to be modded. Everyone plays online, and everyone is ranked. Any advantage skews the entire system.

Also, stating your opinions as facts and putting words into the opposition's mouths are bad debate strategies.

Seeing that 13,000 people have already given money to GGG for this completely free game that isn't even released yet, I doubt it will die out soon.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

I dont want to confirm every point I set... others opinons?

LEFT CLICK - Assign Point
RIGHT CLICK - Undo Last Point Assigned

Save confirmation on Skill Tree Panel exit (YES/NO).

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Yes. This.

I want a confirmation pop-up when I close the passive skill tree. If I dont click Ok, then I don't want changes. You can have this be on by Default setting, and let people chose to turn off Confirmation.

i like the fact the complainers about this haven't realized this is a beta test - to improve the game and finish it before general release. it may have been posted before, but they are working on a confirm button for the skill tree.ergo game is still being developed. also there are ways to respec in game, how about learning the game to help us improve it.


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I am for relatively free respec. I haven't heard a good argument against respec, and I have heard alot. Basically people want to control what other people do with their characters which has no effect on them. I cannot understand where this comes from. You don't have to respec if you don't want to.

The only thing that needs to be restricted is respeccing on the fly, because then it becomes a tactic. I don't think that's something that improves the game. There are many solutions to this, but I'd imagine that painstakingly reassigning all those passive points alone will stop respeccing as tactic. It also could be an endgame thing or only at the start of a gaming session. Or something you have to work for ingame(but not too hard). Etc. But you should never feel like you're stuck with your bad choices. It's an archaic game mechanic.

Plus from my experience I can say that once I find a good configurations with skills I will leave that char like so and start a new for another configuration. If the char is good it feels pointless to do the laborous reassigning of points.