No respec options? No thanks.

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joleme wrote:

You realize that "normal" players don't plan ahead 50 moves, and they don't sit there strategizing about this and that.

Define "normal". If you mean the masses that most companies are dumbing their games down for, then those are not "normal" players. Those are "average" players. This game is here to fill a niche, not to join the mainstream dumbed down games list.

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joleme wrote:

People that do that are not the norm. All the hate from the ones that do is just rediculous. The ability to respec even at will affects them in absolutely no way.

It absolutely does. Especially where PvP is concerned. "Oh, I got pwned with this build. Just a second and I'll have another."

If you can't build your character correctly even by copying someone else's build then this game isn't for you. I can think of a game to be released in about a month that would suit you.

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joleme wrote:

The only reason people get pissy about it is because being able to respec on a whim takes away from their "superiority" from having earned/found 50 orbs of regret.

Someone who understands the game and knows how to build will not need said orbs. The same is true for people who use cookie-cutter builds. This entire point is moot as is this argument.

Good luck getting respecs. If GGG is the company I believe it to be it's not going to happen. But I'm going to hold off on my support until I see the finished product. I'm not supporting a game that I'm not going to play because it was dumbed down just like D3. In that case I may as well just play D3... Which I'm not. Maybe you should.

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joleme wrote:

People that do that are not the norm. All the hate from the ones that do is just rediculous. The ability to respec even at will affects them in absolutely no way.

The only reason people get pissy about it is because being able to respec on a whim takes away from their "superiority" from having earned/found 50 orbs of regret.

Respecing at will has very serious advantages over not respecing. Those who respec to fit their current situation will advance through the game faster, get higher on the ladder, and accrue more currency and gear than those who don't respec. If it were an "option," it wouldn't be an option at all in this competitively-ranked game.

Just because something does not cater to you does not mean that it only caters to hardcore players or 1% of players.

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N0m4d wrote:

It absolutely does. Especially where PvP is concerned. "Oh, I got pwned with this build. Just a second and I'll have another."

If you can't build your character correctly even by copying someone else's build then this game isn't for you. I can think of a game to be released in about a month that would suit you.

If the game is properly balanced, this really shouldn't even be an issue. As it would just be people respeccing until they find a build that mixes well with their play style. Granted, respecs shouldn't be unlimited or free, or else you would have people respeccing into specific builds set up specifically to counter certain people.

People should be able to fix their build if it doesn't fit their play style or if they make mistakes on it. Do you really want to win matches against people who are playing in builds that are broken or not suitable for their play style? I would want my opponent to be at their top possible game, so I know that I got a victory over the player and not their failed build.

This also doesn't take into account balance changes, new spells/skills that get added into the game later that will inherently change the metagame when it comes to builds. It is entirely possible for your perfectly planned build to be patched out, and become less effective over time.

It is possible that the current orbs of regret system would be enough to solve these issues, but from what I have seen from it so far, it might fall short. They should probably be a little easier to get. Full respecs should probably be an option at some point, but should be fairly limited, either via a cash shop item, once a character, or with in game currency (already possible).

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N0m4d wrote:

Someone who understands the game and knows how to build will not need said orbs. The same is true for people who use cookie-cutter builds. This entire point is moot as is this argument.

The problem is that no amount of understanding of game mechanics substitutes for in game experience. You might be able to crunch all of the numbers to get the highest DPS in theory but it simply might not work in game the way you were hoping it would, it might clash with your desired play style, or your character might be unplayable because it now has weaknesses you didn't plan for. Your build could end up broken because of something that you couldn't possibly account for while making it, for example, you could have made a summoning build, but with the current summoning mechanics it might be too irritating to play for you.

The entire idea of cookie cutter builds clashes with a system like PoE. We have a massive skill tree that basically screams, "do whatever you want, and make your character yours." You can make a sledgehammer wielding witch or a wand slinging dueler. I don't personally see a problem with allowing people to respec into, or out of, build likes this to see if they enjoy them or not.

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N0m4d wrote:

Define "normal". If you mean the masses that most companies are dumbing their games down for, then those are not "normal" players. Those are "average" players.

lol.

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Die_Scream wrote:

Isn't this really about trying to exert control over other people based on some beef you have with "modern" rpgs?

This.

If you screw up your build so badly you can't Regret out of it (plus the 8 points from quests), then you start over and make another character. You level extremely fast in this game. It's not some sort of big deal to make another character and do it right this time.

And if you want a totally different playstyle, you also make another character. Again, not a big deal.

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Die_Scream wrote:

Isn't this really about trying to exert control over other people based on some beef you have with "modern" rpgs?

Isn't this just trying to subvert a design decision in order to make the game lose replayability, force GGG into always having to raise the bar at the highest level of play, and punishing people who spent the time thinking through their build instead of playing something for 90% of the game, then switching into farm mode at the end?

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aimlessgun wrote:

And if you want a totally different playstyle, you also make another character.

Exactly this. Your character isn't the thing that hits max level and is then a malleable putty. It's the character that was born through hard-bitten play and past decisions.

I think maybe up the drop rate of "orbs of regret".

At the moment they are a little too rare, especially if you want to respec 70 odd points.

The cost should be high, but not as high as it currently is.

At the moment it's just easier to create a new character, which defeats the purpose of respeccing in the first place.

Maybe i'm just unlucky with the drops, but 1 chaos orb should be worth 2-3 orbs of regret, not 1-1 as it currently is.

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pitty wrote:

I think maybe up the drop rate of "orbs of regret".

I find them with some regularity, and don't forget 4 chance -> scour, and 2 scour -> regret via Yeena. Including those orb drops, regrets aren't hard to come by and are fairly easy to trade for (obviously, the people who spend lots of time planning have ample regrets to sell for orbs for crafting, which encourages thoughtful play).

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pitty wrote:

At the moment it's just easier to create a new character, which defeats the purpose of respeccing in the first place.

I argue that's the intention, and respeccing defeats the purpose of making new characters.

Its very good that u cant respec easily of some different reasons..

1: Your Char becomes more unique and personal for You.
2: Its required more work and finess, which is the one and only reason why this game will reach success,
2: Its not ezmode Paint in windows. Go play Tetris your fuking cunts!