No respec options? No thanks.

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simnel wrote:

here are many, many people who have said "I don't really want to play this game because of complexity of the skill tree combined with difficult respecs." The SAME PEOPLE, over and over again, are loudly saying that there shouldn't be easier respecs. That's not speculation, it's fact. Does it mean that's the way the general population will approach the game? Certainly not, but absent a deeper data set, it does seem at least LIKELY that those numbers will reflect what the wider population will think.

I don't know where you get this fact but as far as I can see in the many threads posted it's also mostly the same people posting in favour of easy respecs.

Also, the people against easy respecs don't really have to post anything because GGG already agree with us and have said they won't change it. People who want to complain are always more vocal than the people who like the way things are, you can see this on any game forum (or anywhere else for that matter).

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Sickness wrote:

Tell that to the devs.

I think you would be hard-pressed to find a dev who would say "We DON'T want this game to be a mainstream success." But if there's somewhere they've made a statement like that, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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Fwib wrote:

I don't know where you get this fact but as far as I can see in the many threads posted it's also mostly the same people posting in favour of easy respecs.

Also, the people against easy respecs don't really have to post anything because GGG already agree with us and have said they won't change it. People who want to complain are always more vocal than the people who like the way things are, you can see this on any game forum (or anywhere else for that matter).

Those are interesting ideas, but they disagree with the reality in pretty much every particular. Take a look through the MANY respec-related threads... you'll see that 1. it's generally NOT the same people, and 2. "Easy respecs" is generally not what people are talking about. However, it IS a good way of diminishing a viewpoint you don't want to deal with.

As for GGG agreeing with you, and not making any changes...

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Chris wrote:

It's possible that changes will be made to the respec system. We've discussed many options which all have their advantages and disadvantages.

That was posted three days ago. And as for people who are "complaining" being "more vocal"... I'm sorry to break it to you, Fwib, but you're far and away one of the most vocal on this issue, along with others that share your point of view. There are MORE people on the other side, but the people on your side are MUCH more vocal.

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simnel wrote:

Those are interesting ideas, but they disagree with the reality in pretty much every particular. Take a look through the MANY respec-related threads... you'll see that 1. it's generally NOT the same people, and 2. "Easy respecs" is generally not what people are talking about. However, it IS a good way of diminishing a viewpoint you don't want to deal with.

I have taken a look at the many threads. On both sides there are people who post regularly (you, kodr, ManiaCCC, Die_Scream are just 4 people that came to mind who make up a lot of the posts), and sometimes new people who join the argument. Unless you are willing to actually go through all these and gather statistics (which would be a giant waste of time but whatever), you are just taking your own impression as fact.

About easy respecs, as far as I can tell most people who want the system to change want respecs to be easier to get (ie they don't want to have to reroll to play another spec). If I'm wrong here please tell me in what way.

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simnel wrote:

As for GGG agreeing with you, and not making any changes...

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Chris wrote:

It's possible that changes will be made to the respec system. We've discussed many options which all have their advantages and disadvantages.

That's not the whole quote. Chris also says that they always want people to be motivated to start a new character if they want to try a new spec, no matter what they change about the respec system. That's all I want, which means we agree. I don't care if they make changes to the system as long as they stick to this core principle.

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That was posted three days ago. And as for people who are "complaining" being "more vocal"... I'm sorry to break it to you, Fwib, but you're far and away one of the most vocal on this issue, along with others that share your point of view. There are MORE people on the other side, but the people on your side are MUCH more vocal.

I'm not talking about myself or any person in particular. I'm saying that new people who try the game and agree with the system have no reason to go to the forums to discuss it, because they are happy with how things are. On the other side, new people who DON'T agree with the system are much more likely to head to the forums and complain.

You see this happen on every game forum ever, people who complain always seem to be in the majority because the people who are satisfied with how things are have no reason to speak up.

As for myself, I just enjoy arguing with people who love to complain and think they know everything better than the devs when I'm bored. Even when I know I don't have to because as long as the devs agree with me I've already won.

I'm pretty sure I won't post again in a few months.
That's why I said they can do whatever they want with my advices (I can shove it into my ass if needed), I don't really care.

I think it's a problem, you think it's not, I'm fine with that.

I don't mind playing the beta, the game has some fun parts, and I do my job by reporting bugs and giving my feedbacks. That's the only thing I do here.

I stated multiple times to do something like Titan Quest for respec, but it seems each time, this advice is lost into oblivion and the fanboys whine about how easy respec will ruin PvP...

So yeah, they can do as they wish and please the fanboys. I knew a game once like that, where no one voiced their concerns (or couldn't), it's hellgate london.
One guy did say something, but no one listened to him... guess he was right (and it was also too late...)

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kodr wrote:

I'm pretty sure I won't post again in a few months.
That's why I said they can do whatever they want with my advices (I can shove it into my ass if needed), I don't really care.

I think it's a problem, you think it's not, I'm fine with that.

I don't mind playing the beta, the game has some fun parts, and I do my job by reporting bugs and giving my feedbacks. That's the only thing I do here.

I stated multiple times to do something like Titan Quest for respec, but it seems each time, this advice is lost into oblivion and the fanboys whine about how easy respec will ruin PvP...

So yeah, they can do as they wish and please the fanboys. I knew a game once like that, where no one voiced their concerns (or couldn't), it's hellgate london.
One guy did say something, but no one listened to him... guess he was right (and it was also too late...)

Except Hellgate London was a bad game. Path of the Exile is not.

Yep, PoE is definitely better than HGL, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have his share of problems.

Right now, I would rank PoE has my third favorite hack'n slash, behind D2 and TQ. Other game behind PoE are Torchlight 1 (not far behind, just lack of replay value and no multi), Sacred, Dungeon Siege.

Still waiting for D3, Torchlight 2, Lineage Eternals and Grim Dawn, the rating may fall a little bit after those release.

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kodr wrote:

Yep, PoE is definitely better than HGL, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have his share of problems.

Right now, I would rank PoE has my third favorite hack'n slash, behind D2 and TQ. Other game behind PoE are Torchlight 1 (not far behind, just lack of replay value and no multi), Sacred, Dungeon Siege.

Still waiting for D3, Torchlight 2, Lineage Eternals and Grim Dawn, the rating may fall a little bit after those release.

Path of the Exile is incomplete.


Hellgate London suffered from a severe amount of problems and issues that went well and far above a "respec" issue.

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Tolkith wrote:

You seem to forget that at release it will be a lot harder, if not impossible, to "fail" as long as you follow the instructions (tutorial, hints, etc. that GGG plans to implement).

It's not about failing, it's about not having the optimal build based on your newfound insights and having no reasonable option to fix it if you are more than a few points off target.

When you have to grind for hours (in my experience) to find one respec orb, LIKE HELL you're going to just experiment. You're going to wait for build guides.

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kodr wrote:

So yeah, they can do as they wish and please the fanboys. I knew a game once like that, where no one voiced their concerns (or couldn't), it's hellgate london.
One guy did say something, but no one listened to him... guess he was right (and it was also too late...)

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xD

Unfortunately beta access was gated by hellgateguru.com (fanboi central) and only fanbois got into the beta. The results were predictable.

heh :)
I was on HGGuru (I'm Syl btw), and I was talking about Sol Invictus, who seemed to have bashed the game at a community event, and the others didn't like it ^^;;

I'm not sure if there was a beta for this game, I wasn't part of it.

Although I agree with respec not being given out like candy, I feel the UI fails a bit when leveling up your characters, there should be a confirm skill popup before it locks you into them, a couple of times I have click something incorrectly while trying to move the skill web around. =/ There need's to be a confirmation on exit if you are happy with your selection.