No respec options? No thanks.

The casual VS hardcore is just sidetracking the discussion. It's not true that respec is only for casuals and no respec is only for the hardcore.

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Fwib wrote:

I don't want every character with the same class to be identical

Respec has very little to do with that. With or without respec, people who want to use a cookie cutter build will use a cookie cutter build (I don't see anything negative in that btw).
So if you are saying that every class will be exactly the same if we get full respec, then that means that every class will be exactly the same as it is now, it will only take a little longer to get there.

There is a flipp side. easier respec allows you to experiment more and gives you less incentive to just get a build from the forums.



PS. Saying that the game needs to focus on casuals to survie is equally stupid to saying that respec is only for casuals.

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Sickness wrote:

The casual VS hardcore is just sidetracking the discussion. It's not true that respec is only for casuals and no respec is only for the hardcore.

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Fwib wrote:

I don't want every character with the same class to be identical

Respec has very little to do with that. With or without respec, people who want to use a cookie cutter build will use a cookie cutter build (I don't see anything negative in that btw).

Me neither, but that's not what I mean. A cookie cutter build is still a unique build, if a lot of people want to play it that's fine. Just makes it more fun to try a more unconventional build.

If you can swap your build around just like your gear, your build becomes irrelevant because you can change it at any moment, making EVERY character from that class the same, not just the cookie cutters. If everyone uses a cookie cutter build I can still make a unique char. With free respecs I can't, because everyone could change to my spec on a whim without having to actually play through the content with it.

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So if you are saying that every class will be exactly the same if we get full respec, then that means that every class will be exactly the same as it is now, it will only take a little longer to get there.

Unless every single person uses this cookie cutter build they won't all be the same. And if they do, then that's a different problem all together and they should probably nerf said cookie cutter build or make other builds more viable.

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There is a flipp side. easier respec allows you to experiment more and gives you less incentive to just get a build from the forums.

Can't disagree there. Obviously taking away consequences from your choices has it's advantages, it's just that I and many others think having unique characters is more important.

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PS. Saying that the game needs to focus on casuals to survie is equally stupid to saying that respec is only for casuals.

100% agreed.

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kodr wrote:

Agreed, oldschool fits better this mindset.

I still wonder if an oldschool game can work nowaday. I'd prefer play a better game than an "oldschool-flawed" game.

Oldschool must not mean old-fashioned in my eyes, only for being based on rules from another, earlier stage of play instead of diluting it like at many others - or who will reinvent chess or backgammon? ^^
There are a lot of examples for games that have been adapted on newer demandings without negating their background.

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Voldzito wrote:

"...If something deeply obsess you in this game, then don't play it, play those games, that HAVE those features you describe, but DON'T ask GGG to copy things from OTHER games, play those games instead!

There is a Respec option in this game, a good one, if you don't like it, that's your issue..."

This. Couldnt say any better.


"No respec options? No thanks."
No thanks? OKAY, take your belongings and leave, instead of creating such topics.

Peace.

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Sickness wrote:

But you can respec your high level build into something completely different.

And it's arguably far too easy to do so at the moment, although it's still not free. It is enough that you don't see people regularly rerolling on the fly for different areas / bosses.

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Sickness wrote:

It is different because if you change class you change your arbitrary starting location in the skill tree.

My point was that not that it isn't slightly different, but that it is no more different than drastically changing your build - significantly changing your path through the tree...

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Sickness wrote:

I don't think there is a problem with that. I really don't see the harm.

I don't see anything wrong with how it is now, although I'm not adverse to making massive respecs a little harder to accomplish.

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Sickness wrote:

Make full respec and/or class chnage cost money and have a fairly long timer (couple of weeks).

Presumably you think that fits with not GGG's policy of not selling advantage? I agree about needing a long timer, but that's still short enough that it could still be used to abused for a PvP match here and there or for changing classes/builds with patches to stay at the top of ladders. So IMHO, just no.

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Voldzito wrote:

"...If something deeply obsess you in this game, then don't play it, play those games, that HAVE those features you describe, but DON'T ask GGG to copy things from OTHER games, play those games instead!

There is a Respec option in this game, a good one, if you don't like it, that's your issue..."

+1
The thread never really needed any more to be said than this.

there is no end to what the content locusts will demand.

Just quick question because I probably never understood this mindset correctly.

But why exactly are people against full respec? I am guy who never respeced..maybe few times in WoW to fix few talents here and there but it never bothered me that other people can respec at will. I welcome respec as long as it makes people happy and they will continue to play the game.

So.. how are people respecing around your affecting your fun?

This is probably only one thing I have hard times to understand.. Because in my pretty long gaming "career"..they never affected my fun at all.

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ManiaCCC wrote:

Just quick question because I probably never understood this mindset correctly.

But why exactly are people against full respec? I am guy who never respeced..maybe few times in WoW to fix few talents here and there but it never bothered me that other people can respec at will. I welcome respec as long as it makes people happy and they will continue to play the game.

So.. how are people respecing around your affecting your fun?

This is probably only one thing I have hard times to understand.. Because in my pretty long gaming "career"..they never affected my fun at all.

If you want to stay competitive, whether it's PvP or PvE, you have to use every tool available or you'll be at a disadvantage compared to the rest. I think that's the major reason.

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ManiaCCC wrote:

Just quick question because I probably never understood this mindset correctly.

But why exactly are people against full respec? I am guy who never respeced..maybe few times in WoW to fix few talents here and there but it never bothered me that other people can respec at will. I welcome respec as long as it makes people happy and they will continue to play the game.

So.. how are people respecing around your affecting your fun?

This is probably only one thing I have hard times to understand.. Because in my pretty long gaming "career"..they never affected my fun at all.

With that reasoning they could also add an orb that would make every piece of equipment perfect and dropped all the time. You could simply choose not to pick them up and completely ignore them, how does other people using them ruin your fun?

In games people try to be the best or as good as they can be, and to do that you'd have to use respecs if they had them, whether you liked it or not. Handicapping yourself by ignoring a feature you don't like is not fun.

Well..so E-peen is the reason?

Okey..not going to lie..it seems super stupid to me but I wont argue with that.

To me...ideal solution would be to create competitive league which wont allow respecing..and everyone could be happy.