please get rid of MF, make players WANT to play SSF

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girng#7675 wrote:

every item you loot is tied to inventory management. it's a thing. what you're suggesting is ability to just pickup all the rares in the map and auto sell them? no, that's not how it works. looting an item is an action that takes time. item types have sizes that also fill up space. it's all correlated together. not sure how you don't see this

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Blasphemous84#2190 wrote:

Genuinely curious…have you played SSF?

I spent 160 hours on a Ranger and never found a single Greater Jeweler’s Orb. I never found a single divine orb despite doing relatively T16-17 maps for 20-30 hours worth of play. Not 1 divine.

I swap to trade league and have better gear in 20 hours played than I did in 160 SSF. It’s just a joke how big a difference it is.

They need to remove rarity from gear, buff the rarity floor of all atlas nodes and add more rarity to the passive tree and waystones. These buffs should be doubled or tripled in SSF in my opinion. As is, it feels like an absolutely slog. Expecting the average person to put in 300+ hours every league to conquer endgame content is ridiculous. It’s just a dead game mode for most people.

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lz408357#3319 wrote:

我也非常讨厌MF！！影响正常BD构筑，如果你不堆MF，那么你只会和MF的玩家差距越来越大！

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1453R#7804 wrote:

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exsea#1724 wrote:

this morning i watched a ryhkker vid on the subject and he pointed out something i forgot.

LE SOLVED this issue.

you could play "SSF" or "Trade" as an opt in. if you played "SSF", there were ways to influence your drops so you could get more of what you wanted. while if you prefered to trade, you wouldnt get "tailored" drops but have access to trade and ability to use items from trading.

so what you mentioned is one of the many things i would want in POE2.

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1453R#7804 wrote:

Sucks, but what can ye do?

check out how LE balanced SSF vs Trade. they've already solved it.

I thought I addressed that. Last Epoch tried to "solve" this by having what amounts to Trade and SSF leagues. SSF leagues get absolutely, utterly stupidiculous drop buffs. Like, loot explodes from mobs' ears even worse than PoE1.

The "solution" still failed. As I understand it from having read about it secondhand a few times, it's generally still held that trade league is much better for making specific builds - and LE is a game with dramatically lerss build diversity and gearing than PoE. Frankly, if at any point SSF is ever actuall 'better' at creating targeted builds than trade league, the game as a whole has utterly failed - and since that is the thing people in Path of Exile want to do? Trade league is going to be the de facto standard regardless of whatever.

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Blasphemous84#2190 wrote:

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girng#7675 wrote:

every item you loot is tied to inventory management. it's a thing. what you're suggesting is ability to just pickup all the rares in the map and auto sell them? no, that's not how it works. looting an item is an action that takes time. item types have sizes that also fill up space. it's all correlated together. not sure how you don't see this

Oh I see it. It’s just antiquated as fuck.

You seem to have lost sight of the fact that video games are supposed to be fun (don’t worry, GGG has too). Is leaving your map 2-4 times to go disenchant and deposits items in your stash fun? Or would it be more fun to just keep killing stuff and getting more loot?

Inventory management is not fun. It’s really that simple. Making items arbitrary massive in our tiny inventory does nothing to add to the overall enjoyment of the game. It’s just an obnoxious, unnecessary obstacle from 30 year old games and an excuse for GGG to sell you more stash space.

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Polantaris#1920 wrote:

Quite frankly, I don't believe you. I run T15/16 frequently, with juiced maps and over 100% MF on my character's gear. I'm lucky if I get one Exalted a map, while spending two or three to run it, if I'm fully juicing (depending on if I use an Alchemy or Regal/Exalted). I can't possibly afford to roll items at the same time.

So either something else is affecting drops, or you're full of it.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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AverBeg7#1689 wrote:

What is your counterpoint to that?

there are casuals, there are sweaters, there are people who follow builds, there are those who dont. there are people who are lucky, there are those who are not.

the fact is there are many people who are playing the game and feeling the itemization is "not sufficient".

i personally was overleveled and had a tough time "SSFING". i was over 80 and was tired of doing lower tier content, i solved everything INSTANTLY by just trading for items that i wanted. my resists were fixed. my survivability improved, and i made progress.

similarly on the campaign i was 5-10 levels overleveled but when i got really good drops or if my yolo crafts worked out, i would suddenly be able to progress.

when i rerolled, thanks to all the old gear i kept, the game was so much easier.

for sure you had a good time and found everything sufficient. but thats YOUR experience. whatever i say cannot invalidate your experience. i will not try to because its stupid of me to do so.

on the flipside, just because you managed to get what you need, does not mean others are having the same experience.

heck, if you're up for a challenge try rolling a trumelee warrior and not resort to cheesing strats such as cry/totem builds and not resort to using twink gear.

it might change your viewpoint. or... it wont.. but in either case, just because you didnt see a problem with it, doesnt mean others shouldnt.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

mf on gear forces players to optimize. the existence of MF necessitates GGG to balance drops around MF. dont play MF? fuck you, here have a few wisdoms scraps and t1 waystones. it feels bad.

if you're weak, you're effectively punished for being weak as you cant fit in mf.

mf only serves the players that are using highly efficient builds.

its creating the player gap that is prominent in poe1. i fucking hate that gap. a gap definitely will happen but mf helps make the gap larger.

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AverBeg7#1689 wrote:

If you are running t15/t16 maps frequently, that means you exalting them, and vaaling them, correct? Probably about 50 a day if you are really farming?

So... Again, How do you not believe it's possible if you are doing it lol. Maps are items that you slam too.

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HwtChirino#2462 wrote:

A game like Torchlight Infinite has the crafting you'd probably enjoy. There is no MF, only juicing maps. And trading exists, of course, but you're also able to craft all your gear with the currency you find. It felt amazing.

But too bad PoE2 won't learn from Torchlight Infinite because wtf is that game, right?

Anyway, if you get bored of PoE2 at some point, you should check it out.