I'm sick of zoom meta. (Speed creep created bad combat and game balance)

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Grendahl wrote:

+1 to OP

one of the things that makes Dark Souls great is that you have to be methodical. While you are rewarded for "git<ting> gud", you are still rewarded for being methodical while being punished for being reckless.

I'm not a DS fanboi, but I have been playing DS3 since about a week ago while waiting for Elden Ring DLC to drop. (I know, the "casual" versions of the DS series, right?) I love that the game punishes me for rushing. Even with a glass cannon build, if you're not methodical, you die.

I love many things about POE; but the zoom meta and the low rewards at lower power levels is not one of them.

Which of course is my second and most consisted piece of feedback, the game is not rewarding for solo players at lower power levels. I get that they want to prevent bots from making everything dirt cheap, and I get that the zoomiest group players kill the league boss by the end of the first week. Most players would rather grind for their gear than having to buy it. This is a place that POE has always been weak as compared with other looter games.

...but now I'm way off topic.

I would love for POE2 to be a game that rewards methodical game play and that rewards players play this way.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Oh yeah, now you can leave the zoomers in PoE1 and join the other boomers in PoE2.

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auspexa wrote:

then play grim dawn, last epoch or diablo 4? why are people asking ggg to get rid of the zoom zoom meta when it's one of the biggest things that make poe unique and good?

if you like slow games, go ahead and play slow games instead of complaining, duh

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alhazred70 wrote:

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auspexa wrote:

then play grim dawn, last epoch or diablo 4? why are people asking ggg to get rid of the zoom zoom meta when it's one of the biggest things that make poe unique and good?

if you like slow games, go ahead and play slow games instead of complaining, duh

Someone's not heard the news? I mean I get it not everyone follows games they play closely but you would think someone invested enough to post on a forum would also know that there's going to be 2 different POE experiences to choose from.

Personally I have my reservations (and hope to be wrong about them) but If I'm GGG I am absolutely finding ways to keep both the zoom zoom and the boom boom and have more impactful combat and learn from POE1's mistakes as much as possible to make a better game filled with custom tailoring.

If I'm GGG I flinch every time I see someone on my forums suggest that paying customers "go play something else if you aren't perfectly happy". If I were to ever make a game (maybe some day in retirement when AI gets even better) I would literally have TOS rules against posts like that.

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Grendahl wrote:

Which of course is my second and most consisted piece of feedback, the game is not rewarding for solo players at lower power levels. I get that they want to prevent bots from making everything dirt cheap, and I get that the zoomiest group players kill the league boss by the end of the first week. Most players would rather grind for their gear than having to buy it. This is a place that POE has always been weak as compared with other looter games.

...but now I'm way off topic.

I would love for POE2 to be a game that rewards methodical game play and that rewards players play this way.

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auspexa wrote:

this isn't a valid argument because poe 1 will be mostly dead for non-ssf players after poe 2's full release. you'll barely be able to trade for anything you need, as it currently takes about a month and a half for the challenge leagues to die and it'll take even less time when poe 2 is out

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alhazred70 wrote:

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auspexa wrote:

this isn't a valid argument because poe 1 will be mostly dead for non-ssf players after poe 2's full release. you'll barely be able to trade for anything you need, as it currently takes about a month and a half for the challenge leagues to die and it'll take even less time when poe 2 is out

this remains to be seen, you're just assuming these things. Trade league "dies" after 4-5 weeks already. 8 to 10 weeks after a POE1 league start (4 weeks after everyones already typed "dead league" a hundred times in chat per day) you'll have a POE2 league start and then 8-10 weeks later a new POE1 league. Or at least thats what they are selling (I'm not at all confident about that myself).

I think there are clear "FOMO overload" concerns, but you guys and your "league is dead I can't find 100 gilded fossils to spam at 3am" are always doing this even with 3 month leagues and no competition.

I have my own problems with this new paradigm, but there will be a zoomy and a boomy version so telling people to go play something else is a little pointless don't you think?

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auspexa wrote:

then play grim dawn, last epoch or diablo 4? why are people asking ggg to get rid of the zoom zoom meta when it's one of the biggest things that make poe unique and good?

if you like slow games, go ahead and play slow games instead of complaining, duh

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Falcord wrote:

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auspexa wrote:

then play grim dawn, last epoch or diablo 4? why are people asking ggg to get rid of the zoom zoom meta when it's one of the biggest things that make poe unique and good?

if you like slow games, go ahead and play slow games instead of complaining, duh

PoE is a combination of many unique things. Whether each unique thing makes it good or not is down to personal taste.

I personally play PoE for the infinite build depth, the complexity of interlocking systems, the sheer amount of content, the atmosphere and lore, the strange skill and item interactions that take actual effort and theorycrafting to find.

I play PoE all of that, but I don't enjoy the speed and the moment-to-moment gameplay. That's a detriment to my enjoyment. Still, I like it much, much more than LE, GD and Diablo 4 for the reasons above.

I don't think you're wrong to prefer zoom meta; it's your taste, and that's cool. I just hope this helps you empathize with why some people like me are over the moon at PoE2, because it carries forward the things we love about PoE1 (enhances them even) but fixes exactly the parts that we've always had trouble with.