I'm sick of zoom meta. (Speed creep created bad combat and game balance)

Yes to elaborate on my point its simple, all ARPGs automatically focus on player speed because its a common representation of power

If you do content in a minute, you want to do it in 40s, that feels powerful and its an improvement which is where the satisfaction comes from.

However there is a difference between accepting players will run your content faster (ritual for example) and designing your content to be run faster (legion, delerium etc)

basically the first has linear scaling on speed the second has exponential scaling on speed and just makes everyone want to zoom.

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Draegnarrr#2823 wrote:

Yes to elaborate on my point its simple, all ARPGs automatically focus on player speed because its a common representation of power

If you do content in a minute, you want to do it in 40s, that feels powerful and its an improvement which is where the satisfaction comes from.

However there is a difference between accepting players will run your content faster (ritual for example) and designing your content to be run faster (legion, delerium etc)

basically the first has linear scaling on speed the second has exponential scaling on speed and just makes everyone want to zoom.

Correct, but looks like I got the game I want with PoE2. Loving every minute -- Enjoy the sandbox game!

You seem very experienced and respect to all what you say.. i can agree to. Looking at your profileyou are clearly a veteran.

Only honorable mention - diablo2 is speedrunning/zoom meta. You run for distance half naked - thats why its easier as poe. Only game i can speed quite quick in hc. Rest i 100% agree

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Kaboinglefop#0955 wrote:

UPDATE2: GREAT WORK WITH POE2! This thread is now irrelevant IMO!

Hell no, it is not! It's a beacon of hope for all of us that love a fast game play and as a reminder that POE1-mommy is still there for us! Because the truth is:

I like poe2 but not 1(condidering its age... its dated.. look how many ppl watch these streams-> that is where you place your money, time, servers, development). While i can play speedy things i love poe2 pace. See beginning of post. While following ppls threads in this post i seem convinced that majority still positively await release of poe2, really like the core and improvements,and do or would play it..in contrary alot voices exist that it is not possible opposite around...alot couldnt get into poe1, as it is for nowadays standards, clunky, and will never play it at all. Face it.. its outdated but had its place.

Again. I like the pace of poe2 too. Great job. :)

Eventually helpful could be to focus only on development of poe2 so it would become the best option based on current pattern - that would help older playerbase too in the long term. See diablo2 - very very very niche playerbase. I know quite many by name.. yet development is nil -> you could go maybe open source but there is no demand due to d4 and poe2. Same happens here soon. It (poe1) may remain niche but development effort likely lacks due to demand.

There was a reason to creating something fully new rather than merging. Seriously.. i dont want to read books to play a game.. i want to have fun and win with skill. Touch design choice.

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Skiller2009#5689 wrote:

I like poe2 but not 1(condidering its age... its dated.. .....

See diablo2 - very very very niche playerbase.

You can not be serious, right? Calling Diablo 2 a niche game with a niche playerbase is mindblowibg. That game is most likely older than you are right now and is is the real orgin of the whole genre. Same goes with your poe1 is dated. Why would it be dated? Learn to read graphs and be amazed to find out that poe1 is growing in playernumbers for more than a decade now!

I never said that it was not good at a given point in time, well cared by blizzard north, abandoned by blizzard, shortly open source without allowance, resurrected and burried seemingly by microsoft - how much content was now delivered in 4 seasons excl. Hotfix. It has a steadily declining player base. Yes, competition here is microsoft backed. I dont overvalue that or see it too concerned, i see poe2 ahead. Be happy. And that as a d2 player..although the game is maybe as old as me - a few years.

Now poe2 moves ahead of d4. Who knows how hard the competition would have been if they had readily 1 studio more working on d4 (for years). Market shares were not fought via diablo2 but d4. I however see already migrating player base... that impact is there.

Now lets see poe1. It was awesome, it delivered, it has probably hard to maintain old code, it is really a bit older, does not look so modern. If i ask friends - 0 speak about it.. only topic which was brought up -> why should someone put effort in a ... horse when such a huge battle is outside being prepared. And they cross fingers for d4 competition -> innovation, development, progress.

Compare twitch poe1 vs poe2 vs d4 vs d2.. take your time.

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Skiller2009#5689 wrote:

Compare twitch poe1 vs poe2......

I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that one of those is NEW! ^^ Let's take a look at those once poe2 is released and has it's 2nd season. :)

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Kaboinglefop#0955 wrote:

UPDATE2: GREAT WORK WITH POE2! This thread is now irrelevant IMO!

Hell no, it is not! It's a beacon of hope for all of us that love a fast game play and as a reminder that POE1-mommy is still there for us! Because the truth is:

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Fair. I will keep it alive, since the PoE1 people need to remember that they have their fast zoom sandbox game always one click away to play.

The whole point is to feel powerful and the faster your clear the more powerful you are.

You can't seriously believe anyone who says they enjoy a slower game, its possible they wern't very good at PoE1