I'm sick of zoom meta. (Speed creep created bad combat and game balance)

would be nice to have some alternative to zoom zoom builds without feeling we are shooting our self on the foot for nothing.

may be a new currency that greatly enhance an item explicit modifiers but also comes with strong negative mods like 20% less attack, cast and movement speed.

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caboom wrote:

would be nice to have some alternative to zoom zoom builds without feeling we are shooting our self on the foot for nothing.

may be a new currency that greatly enhance an item explicit modifiers but also comes with strong negative mods like 20% less attack, cast and movement speed.

and every single player would use that on their bossing builds.

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dudeimadolphin wrote:

as someone who has been playing for 2 years. i wouldn't be playing poe if i started in the early days, the campaign can take like 12 hours sometimes already i couldn't imagine how long it would take if they do ops route

Not opposed to this. Contrary to what most people say, I like the campaign.

I love the d2 campaign and don't bother rushing even though I've had a solid two weeks where I played it every night last month.

PoE there are some parts of the campaign I think could do with a touch up, but I'd argue 80% of it I enjoy playing through. I think the option for an endless ledge if you've already beaten it in a league should be allowed for players who are honestly sick of the campaign, but it's been almost 10 years for me and I still enjoy it.

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auspexa wrote:

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caboom wrote:

would be nice to have some alternative to zoom zoom builds without feeling we are shooting our self on the foot for nothing.

may be a new currency that greatly enhance an item explicit modifiers but also comes with strong negative mods like 20% less attack, cast and movement speed.

and every single player would use that on their bossing builds.

yeah, instagibbing bosses pretty much immediately removes a lot of mechanic checks.
should only really do it if youre gonna do hundreds, or are going for a glorious grand goal chall or something.

i like speed meta, even if i'm not the zoomiest guy (a bit mediocre if i can tell). To me, its 100000 times better than the slugfest option to kill an ordinary rare in like 5min. even worse with the state of drops in this game.

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Daerdarus wrote:

i like speed meta, even if i'm not the zoomiest guy (a bit mediocre if i can tell). To me, its 100000 times better than the slugfest option to kill an ordinary rare in like 5min. even worse with the state of drops in this game.

again, to reiterate the points I've made:

1. you can rein in the speed creep without turning enemies into bullet sponges.
2. The shitty state of loot balance is a direct result of speed creep.

no shit loot comes from balance around trade.
and also the aspiration vision. at kalandra they show you the mirror tile to mirror a ring, and in game you almost never see it. you have to buy it. aspiration. youtube clip balancing lol.

L take

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SerialF wrote:

no shit loot comes from balance around trade.
and also the aspiration vision. at kalandra they show you the mirror tile to mirror a ring, and in game you almost never see it. you have to buy it. aspiration. youtube clip balancing lol.

I think it's a two-prong issue, trade + speed creep.
The floor for generating drops is quite high.

there has also been item power creep pretty steadily, but I personally feel ramping up since Atlas of Worlds expansion.

Kind of true. The combat is meh because everything is deleted with one click and monsters overtuned because there is no other way to combat fast clearspeed. Also nobody picks up loot because it takes time and against the speed clear mentality wihch is a big issue when it comes to trying to find upgrades.

Basically the entire game is about crafting your own gear or buying it. No upgrades comes from ground loot anymore once you start mapping. Only pick up bases and roll the stats yourself.

I have been saying for years that clear speed meta has brought a lot of issues to the game but it is just so integrated into PoE's DNA that they can't do anything with it.