The Self Found League
" Then don't trade or worry about the economy if self-found doesn't happen. No one is forcing you. I already play self-found. No one is forcing me to trade. I don't worry about the economy. I am my own micro/non-existent economy already. " A player cannot self-impose Hardcore rules in Standard League. If you die in Hardcore, you are forced into Standard. If you die in Standard, you resurrect in Standard. I am always trying to not die, in Standard. I guess if I am Hardcore in Standard, I should delete my character if I die? Main takeaway: A Self Found league already exists within every league. There are players who willing do not participate in the trade economy. Does PoE really need a new league for players who just have to know that all the other players that they see in Wraeclast are self-found, just like they are? That is so cute. This thread makes me angry. Yet, here I am keeping it alive by letting myself get trolled by *****s. I'm about the desync with a firearm in my hand. TY to those who called me out on my BS on these forums. There is no benefit to being so selfish as to fail to acknowledge others' differing beliefs of what "should be" or believe your own opinions so supreme as to be factual and thus dismiss others' opinions as being somehow a lie or delusional. Last edited by Perfect_Black#6704 on Aug 22, 2013, 4:18:54 AM
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" Yes they can ? People have been creating new ruleset for existing game from as long as games existed. In fact the whole "hardcore" thing comes from old players playing normal games "hardcore mode" (i.e. without saving and reloading etc) " People asking for this are obviously interested to play in a league EXCLUSIVELY dedicated to self found, I dont see what this has to do with YOU ? " ahh I think we are getting to the point Dogs Summoner - http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/885199 Last edited by Amiag#0234 on Aug 20, 2013, 5:37:32 PM
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" " " TY to those who called me out on my BS on these forums. There is no benefit to being so selfish as to fail to acknowledge others' differing beliefs of what "should be" or believe your own opinions so supreme as to be factual and thus dismiss others' opinions as being somehow a lie or delusional. Last edited by Perfect_Black#6704 on Aug 20, 2013, 7:32:42 PM
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I agree with you Perfect_Black.. But those quotes. Damn you! :p
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Perfect_Black, please explain which part of Hardcore mode that players cannot self-impose in Standard league, because you're just sounding illogical now.
Hardcore rules: If you die, you lose your character and all the items that character has equipped. Which part of this cannot be self-imposed? No matter which league you play in, if you die you can delete your character and all the items it had equipped. So I ask again, which part of Hardcore cannot be self-imposed? " Why on earth would they need to if Hardcore didn't exist and they were already in Standard? Do you really believe that people play Hardcore simply because they want their character to change leagues upon death? That's stupid. The fact that Hardcore characters move to Standard upon death isn't relevant to what Hardcore is, it's an incidental convenience the developers built into the game. It has nothing to do with why people want Hardcore or why they play Hardcore. Do I have to spell it out for you? Moving characters to Standard league has absolutely nothing to do with Hardcore gameplay or Hardcore ruleset. Once your character dies in Hardcore, it is gone, dead, finished, over with. The move to Standard occurs after your character has already left the Hardcore league, and cannot possibly be perceived to be part of Hardcore play. " I'm not trying to beat your logic, I'm trying to find your logic. I have yet to see any evidence that any logic is there, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps English is not your first language, and this is really all just a comical misunderstanding of the meaning of words? Last edited by emtwo#7165 on Aug 20, 2013, 7:27:19 PM
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On the one hand, I think Perfect_Black is wrong about the whole hardcore thing; you could totally self-impose a "if this character dies even once, I delete it" rule upon yourself. It might be hard to follow, but where there is a will, there is a way.
On the other hand, applying the exact same logic to self-found, there is absolutely no need for a Self-Found League; if you really want the self-found restriction, all you have to do is refuse to trade with anyone. Somehow you two have switched arguments, like Bugs and Elmer in Looney Toons, and have both taken the opposing positions. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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" Not so, Scrotie. I'm applying the same logic to both leagues. Both Hardcore and Self-Found could be self-imposed. Hardcore players, for valid reasons, wish to have their own league so that they can play with other Hardcore players and not have Standard players join to muck up the Hardcore atmosphere/community. Self-Found players also wish to have their own league so that they can play with other Self-Found players and not have Standard players join and muck up the Self-Found atmosphere/community. There is a reason why Hardcore players have their own league instead of being told to "self-impose" hardcore rules, and it's a good reason. A good reason that also applies to Self-Found. Side-note: I'm always happy to see you post here Scrotie, even if I disagree with you. It's nice to see someone that can articulate their thoughts in an intelligent matter. It's unfortunate that I managed to upset Thaelyn to the point that he left the discussion entirely, but such things happen on the internet. I still think your fear of SFL is irrational and based entirely on speculative doomsday prophecies, but you are at least able to present it for discussion instead of throwing up ridiculous semantic-roadblocks like "you cannot self-impose Hardcore rules." Can you not, Scrotie, at least support a temporary (four-month or less) Self-Found League so that we can actually examine the effect, if any, it would have on the economies of other leagues instead of relying purely on guesswork? I look forward to your continued contribution to this thread. Last edited by emtwo#7165 on Aug 20, 2013, 7:53:33 PM
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@emtwo
-Trading is a CHOICE, not a RULE. -Hardcore game mechanics are RULES, not CHOICES. If you want a league to enforce a RULE that eliminates a CHOICE... do you even like freedom? QQ, play self-found, and stop worrying about other players. For the record, what I mean by "A player cannot self-impose Hardcore rules in Standard League." is "A player cannot self-impose Path of Exile's Hardcore League rules in Standard League." Make more sense now? " You are correct in that choices can be removed by rules and some rules removed to enable choices. However, did anyone actually play Hardcore before Hardcore modes existed? Now, has anyone ever played Self Found before the existence of a Self Found mode? Different answers, I presume. TY to those who called me out on my BS on these forums. There is no benefit to being so selfish as to fail to acknowledge others' differing beliefs of what "should be" or believe your own opinions so supreme as to be factual and thus dismiss others' opinions as being somehow a lie or delusional. Last edited by Perfect_Black#6704 on Aug 20, 2013, 7:57:05 PM
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" -Trading is a CHOICE, until they make a SFL and it becomes a RULE. -Hardcore game mechanics is a CHOICE, until they make a HCL and it becomes a RULE. Everything is a choice until someone makes a league with different rules. There is no distinction, quit trying to draw one. Use your brain, son. Last edited by emtwo#7165 on Aug 20, 2013, 7:45:22 PM
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" Yes. " Yes. " No, and it wouldn't matter if they were different. Last edited by emtwo#7165 on Aug 20, 2013, 7:56:41 PM
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