The Self Found League

I love the idea of an SFL, will change many things too and give more interest to the game.

People won't be able to run easy popular build in an SFL and will have to manage a custom build to reach endgame.
Why ? cause they won't be able to trade build dependant gears in two clicks !

Really thanks for this suggestion, i will maybe back in PoE if they decide to do it one day :)

Wish you gl & hf

crash.

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2ofSpades wrote:

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Rataraxia wrote:

Also, ultimate question to every SFL hater. Why if the trading is god's blessing to us and just miracle, why the heck it failed in perfectly organised system Diablo 3 has? Why they are closing both RMAH and GAH? And, please dont tell me it differs from PoE. Anyway everyone is trying to measure costs in 1-2 currencies. So you can simple call chaos orb the gold coin and bah, you will consider other currencies as buy-able commodities. Sooner or later trading system in PoE will come to it.

D3 had a different trading system with easy access and non-personal buyouts/bidding. PoE uses player to player barter.

I always enjoy that comment: "PoE has BARTER economy".

Barter economy would mean item vs item.
PoE does not have this, we only have item vs chaos/exalt
What PoE does have is bargaining..in a very VERY weak form as a natural result of poe.xyz

All these "offer" expectations are not driven from the will to bargain. They are only a tool for hoping to get more than what you hope for.

PoE does not have currency free barter economy, it has a player driven currency based free market economy. Which keeps going further and further in less bargain direction as well.

I doubt I will like RoS, but certainly I will buy it just to enjoy loot 2.0, because god knows I hate being forced to trade and party to make my play time worthwhile.

It really is amazing that you can build just a relatively small amount of currency and then smartly flip items and you will not only make more than farming but a TON more. Its not even remotely comparable. If you buy certain items early and sell them at the peak times you can literally make 80-100 exalts in one trade.

Of course playing the actual game is the entire point and I wouldn't be here if it wasn't great but it does feel a bit hollow farming when I know that I can get what I want trading.

Hope GGG makes solo NO TRADE league soon. For example 1 month race!

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symban wrote:

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2ofSpades wrote:

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Rataraxia wrote:

Also, ultimate question to every SFL hater. Why if the trading is god's blessing to us and just miracle, why the heck it failed in perfectly organised system Diablo 3 has? Why they are closing both RMAH and GAH? And, please dont tell me it differs from PoE. Anyway everyone is trying to measure costs in 1-2 currencies. So you can simple call chaos orb the gold coin and bah, you will consider other currencies as buy-able commodities. Sooner or later trading system in PoE will come to it.

D3 had a different trading system with easy access and non-personal buyouts/bidding. PoE uses player to player barter.

I always enjoy that comment: "PoE has BARTER economy".

Barter economy would mean item vs item.
PoE does not have this, we only have item vs chaos/exalt
What PoE does have is bargaining..in a very VERY weak form as a natural result of poe.xyz

All these "offer" expectations are not driven from the will to bargain. They are only a tool for hoping to get more than what you hope for.

PoE does not have currency free barter economy, it has a player driven currency based free market economy. Which keeps going further and further in less bargain direction as well.

I doubt I will like RoS, but certainly I will buy it just to enjoy loot 2.0, because god knows I hate being forced to trade and party to make my play time worthwhile.

Orbs have an intrinsic use(crafting) and thus are commodities themselves. All a barter based economy really implies is you trade goods and commodities for goods and commodities rather then using some currency with no intrinsic use as a medium of exchange.

For instance, adding "gold" as a primary currency- something that has no use besides it's ability to be exchanged for goods would stop PoE from being a barter economy.

Another major feature of a non-barter based economy is that the relative value of different denominations of domestic currency have a fixed exchange rate(for example in US, regardless of whether the dollar increases or decreases in value it will always be equal to 100 cents). This stability is only possible because currencies having no seperate intrisic uses are not idnependently affected by supply and demand. Note this does not hold in PoE- the relative values of orbs fluctuate all the time.

Awesome idea, and would love to have such a league! :=)