Raise Spectre Gem did NOT deserve your shortsightedness

lol..

the very guide Kay made is an example why this move is a VERY GOOD move.

there is no mention about minion defences nowhere in her guide. all the clusters, jewels and gems are ALL about damage (with one 'minion leech' affix)

youve lost 33% minion life? replace one of your damage supports with Minion Life.

problem? solution. you would still deal more than enough damage, right? and 'damage is not a problem' after all? right?

so whats the problem? that you actually need to invest into minion life/defences and one 'minion leech' + bone offering is not enough? big deal.

this nerf is great as it will show a significant part of the playerbase that the game is actually harder than '1m dps, full survivability, no budget' and you have to make choices, compromises

You just don't get it sid, GGG is way out of line with this one. Nerfing one of the most meta and overpowered builds in the game? Who does GGG think they are?

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sidtherat wrote:

this nerf is great as it will show a significant part of the playerbase that the game is actually harder than '1m dps, full survivability, no budget' and you have to make choices, compromises

I'm inclined to agree. It'll separate the good summoner builders from the bad ones even more.

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sidtherat wrote:

youve lost 33% minion life? replace one of your damage supports with Minion Life.

I wanna see your cries when GGG will push YOUR build to use only 5L.
Whole internet will be pissed with your whinning

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hidden_gobsek wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

youve lost 33% minion life? replace one of your damage supports with Minion Life.

I wanna see your cries when GGG will push YOUR build to use only 5L.
Whole internet will be pissed with your whinning

funny thing to say..

you managed to get to lvl 96 with a spectre build that took THREE minion defensive passives, one jewel notable (but i bet you took it for chance to double damage) and - possibly - got some defences from Animate Guardian

despite that your minions (SO i presume) are res capped and at 65k HP.. for 3 passives.


im pretty sure youll be fine if you drop some minion damage and invest into more minion survivability for once. like seriously, you actively ignore ALL the tools available to fix 'the problem' and expect what, exactly?

times of minion builds completely ignoring minion life etc are gone, like 3-4years too late but it is a good thing. dont pretend that people took these passives/affixes previously - they didnt.

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sidtherat wrote:

times of minion builds completely ignoring minion life etc are gone, like 3-4years too late but it is a good thing. dont pretend that people took these passives/affixes previously - they didnt.

This - and it has been said several times already, also on reddit - is NOT correct.

Lord of the Dead - with minor - 25% inc. life
Death Attunement - min. 8% life (and leech) - depending if you go left or right (or both)
Sacrifice - with minor - min. 42% inc. life
Indomitable Army - with minor - min. 35% inc. life

Defensive nodes of minions were NEVER disregarded and this has been stated here already!

There aren't many more noteworthy defensive nodes apart from maybe Grave Intentions and Decay Ward. So as you can see, the best of them were already taken and they'll be more than necessary now because of the weakened state of the spectre gem.

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Funkjoker wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

times of minion builds completely ignoring minion life etc are gone, like 3-4years too late but it is a good thing. dont pretend that people took these passives/affixes previously - they didnt.

This - and it has been said several times already, also on reddit - is NOT correct.

Lord of the Dead - with minor - 25% inc. life
Death Attunement - min. 8% life (and leech) - depending if you go left or right (or both)
Sacrifice - with minor - min. 42% inc. life
Indomitable Army - with minor - min. 35% inc. life

Defensive nodes of minions were NEVER disregarded.

There aren't many more noteworthy defensive nodes apart from maybe Grave Intentions and Decay Ward. So as you can see, the best of them were already taken and they'll be more than necessary now because of the weakened state of the spectre gem.

Are you even trying? Only LL necros took the lord of the dead 10% life passive because of pathing reasons, otherewise nobody picks it up. Likewise, nobody paths on the right for Death Attunement.

If anything you are illustrating some of the options available that increase minion life for most lower budget minion builds.

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Funkjoker wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

times of minion builds completely ignoring minion life etc are gone, like 3-4years too late but it is a good thing. dont pretend that people took these passives/affixes previously - they didnt.

This - and it has been said several times already, also on reddit - is NOT correct.

Lord of the Dead - with minor - 25% inc. life
Death Attunement - min. 8% life (and leech) - depending if you go left or right (or both)
Sacrifice - with minor - min. 42% inc. life
Indomitable Army - with minor - min. 35% inc. life

Defensive nodes of minions were NEVER disregarded.

There aren't many more noteworthy defensive nodes apart from maybe Grave Intentions and Decay Ward. So as you can see, the best of them were already taken and they'll be more than necessary now because of the weakened state of the spectre gem.

The author of the post you are commenting is not a reader, it is writer and I think never tried minion builds.

I would see him going on end game without clever build and at least 50ex worth gear (+1/2 wand, body and amulet already hits over 50ex).
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And also he does not know what he is talking about, once again I would love to see him playing with his favourite build on end game areas with only 4L available.

4L because the nerf took about 35-40 less dps (minus one support gem) and he proposes us to drop one more support for minion life.

cool story

next time try to argue, not insult.

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BrettLee wrote:

Are you even trying? Only LL necros took the lord of the dead 10% life passive because of pathing reasons, otherewise nobody picks it up. Likewise, nobody paths on the right for Death Attunement.

Your lackluster reading comprehension shows that you should try more.
My post illustrated which of the nodes having minion on them might be taken in usual builds and at least the most import ones - Sacrifice and Indomitable Army - are usually taken, at least from those spectre builders who know how to build.

Lord of the dead is not a particulary necessary node, however it provides inc. life and thus is part against the argument that minion defensive nodes were not taken in the past.