Lab is terrible

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Fruz wrote:

I'm not buying a single second that you were referring to that, you clearly did not.

Well... because I wasn't referring to anything there, I suggested that people could simply see at least one of those issues, and I'm sure I've overlooked some along the way as well, given I haven't used lab since a while now.

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Fruz wrote:

Those are things that you get to learn during the acts, where it's not really brutal.
If you mean that the vanilla mobs are too weak compared to the rest of the game, then I agree with that, completely, the gap has grown too big.

I would rather go the other way around, detach all side-content from mapping and instead make that harder while allowing to run it as much as you want, the same going for lab.

Having side-content interweaving with main-content in such an intrusive way is detrimental. It takes away from the core experience. Instead of adding to the game this way by providing choice, it takes that away and forces people to enjoy all types of content... no matter if they actually do or not.

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acemcgeezseries wrote:

Lab has absolutely no place as a mandatory requirement for all builds.

1. It is designed for a limited build type even tho all build need it for character development.

2. It includes all the hated elements of poe, Massive backtracking, tons of slowing mechanics, one shots, very time consuming, etc ..

3. It is very time consuming and designed as hardcore element in both softcore and hardcore.

4. Massive amounts of rng just to get access to eternal lab

I don't care if there was a guaranteed ex drop at end of lab, i would only do it once per character. There is 1 reason running lab is so profitable. It's because it is a terrible design and totally out of place for a mandatory requirement for al builds.

solution= a. Make lab running straight forward to just get ascension point. Letting players skip all side crap and enchantments and end chests.

or- Make ascension points a different xp bar ( like gems have) unlocked by killing bosses or map tiers, whatever

1) no. fix your build and your gear. If you can't complete a lab you have no hope of anything in endgame.
2) no. you're wrong. learn the layout. Go north and east, if there is a golden door, go west and get the key.
3) uh, no, not at all. This is easy mode, wait till you start doing memory distant fragments with tons of killer multimods. You'll look back and laugh at how ridiculous this statement is.
4) No. Are you high? 1) just run maps, you'll get it in no time. 2) if you're in a hurry, look on global and people will be offering free ports to trials.

I am not going to say labs are the greatest fun in PoE, because they aren't. But all your complaints and arguments to that effect are completely wrong and irrelevant, speaking as a newer player, so you have no excuse. I'm not a super genious, if I can figure it out, you can too, unless you're too lazy to put in the effort. Lab is a joke and if you can't handle it then either you have severe lack of manual dexterity to the point of being declared disabled (which if you are, then you should know that video games in general don't cater to that by now), or you simply don't have the knowledge.

Here's a quick thought: if you suck, really really bad... Outlevel the lab you're on.

Come back when it's 8 levels below you and curb stomp the content into the ground because by then your gear and passives should be able to smoke the content. If you're worried about not having your ascendancies for the content you're doing, don't. People can kill uber elder with 10c of gear and without ascending once, it's doable.

You can also pay for carry services if you're lazy.

You have literally no excuse to complain on these elements.

Lab isn't the most fantastic time I've had in PoE, but these are none of the reasons why.

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klokwerkaos wrote:

1) no. fix your build and your gear. If you can't complete a lab you have no hope of anything in endgame.

Lab is for new players a skill-hurdle. Even for some people who kill uber-elder later on the lab can be a chore. Some types of players simply don't work well with the traps since it's another play-style.

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klokwerkaos wrote:

3) uh, no, not at all. This is easy mode, wait till you start doing memory distant fragments with tons of killer multimods. You'll look back and laugh at how ridiculous this statement is.

There's a difference? Haven't noticed it and I'm only playing in the league whenever I want to interact with the mechanic. Oh, I'm running only ilvl 83 memories, besides Cortex everything is free-kill, Cortex not because I didn't look up the mechanics, made it to the second-last stage anyway at first try with double damage mod + ele-pen. Nexus is easy.

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klokwerkaos wrote:

4) No. Are you high? 1) just run maps, you'll get it in no time. 2) if you're in a hurry, look on global and people will be offering free ports to trials.

the common amount of runs needed is around 20 if I remember right, which means over 100 maps to run commonly. You could have a lot of luck though. Or with bad luck you need 150 tries as I once did during Abyss league - as I have to repeat several times - and be therefore stuck for around 750 maps.

Feels right to have RNG there, doesn't it? Well true, with the ability to choose at Zana it might only have been around 500 maps, let's be lenient there.

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klokwerkaos wrote:

Here's a quick thought: if you suck, really really bad... Outlevel the lab you're on.

Traps do damage based on a % of your life, so out-leveling it isn't an option. The major issue for players are the traps or Izaro. Traps in general, Izaro if the build isn't up to par yet to handle him + traps at the end.... or know that running in a circle is a free-kill for him.

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klokwerkaos wrote:

Come back when it's 8 levels below you and curb stomp the content into the ground because by then your gear and passives should be able to smoke the content. If you're worried about not having your ascendancies for the content you're doing, don't. People can kill uber elder with 10c of gear and without ascending once, it's doable.

Can you? If so... can you show me? You know that people also clear Act 1-10 far under 4 hours? So, can you?
That needs a LOT of training, dozens and dozens of hours do to well. Don't push the bar of someone doing nothing else then training towards it on someone who plays the game casually. That's disrespectful towards the guy who managed to do it, putting in all that effort for you to say 'ah, then it's easyyy... just do it'.

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klokwerkaos wrote:

You can also pay for carry services if you're lazy.

Services are always risky since there's no game-mechanic in PoE to keep people from scamming. Also lab-carry is very profitable... people pay over and over while dieing on the mandatory trap-passages along the way. Can't carry that. Nice profits though, they just go back in again right away.

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klokwerkaos wrote:

You have literally no excuse to complain on these elements.

No, you're just quite self-serving and arrogant about it, speaking from your own personal perspective without taking into consideration the situations of other people. Just because you are a decent gamer doesn't mean everyone has to be. Also, PoE isn't only meant for the 'good gamers', it's meant for everyone who enjoys ARPGs, and it caters towards that, both casual and hardcore types. So, take that into consideration, otherwise the things you write are simple 'elitism'. Which is bad, especially coming from someone who is fairly new to the game.

for those who dont wanna read all 6 pages, basically lab is shit

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regars wrote:

for those who dont wanna read all 6 pages, basically lab is shit

-1

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regars wrote:

for those who dont wanna read all 6 pages, basically lab is shit

lab is shit to anyone who cant use it properly.
just like any other game mechanic.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

lab is shit to anyone who cant use it properly.
just like any other game mechanic.

almost everyone can do lab, its easy af

but its still shit

ah fuck, i forgot to say "kind regars"

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regars wrote:

ah fuck, i forgot to say "kind regars"

get an auto sign going on.
doing it manually is unpractical.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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regars wrote:

ah fuck, i forgot to say "kind regars"

get an auto sign going on.
doing it manually is unpractical.

i like the idea but i dont really post much on this forum :( only when the league is absolute shit so i dont wanna play it