Betrayal Statistics

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As always, these stats give us useful information for planning future leagues, and will also help greatly if we integrate Betrayal content into the core game.

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Natalia_GGG wrote:

The most concerning result for us here is that Masterminds are run less often than we intended. Part of this will be the danger of the encounter, which becomes very clear when we look at the breakdown across various Betrayal league types

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srogi_kotek wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

How about you public statistics hwo many players did block league mechanic in research encounter and never bothered with it again because syndicate encounters are dogshit?

That would not be accurate. I have 2 characters, one with "open" syndicate and one with Syndicate locked in Reasearch, as there is always slight chance, intervention appears when I'm surrounded by other monsters. I'm convinced many players act like this, ad Syndicate appearance is too unpredictable.

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Swazlee wrote:

Nice breakdown .. but Mastermind rewards (or lack there of) was also a major factor for people not doing it very often. Plus the reset of syndicate on failure ..

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rhenk75 wrote:

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Orca_Orcinus wrote:

Um, yeah... about that - you guys don't know what you're doing.

You simply don't.

You offered flask mods as a reward for a 15 minute, once a week encounter.

I know you guy like to troll your consumer base, it's how you and Rory et alia get your jollies, but this is a new low.

It's obvious the league was rushed out 6-9 months before it was ready, the game files (which you can see if you run packcheck exe) have a LOT of info on the KATARINA fight you decided not to push.

Betrayal is a joke of a league, and is on par w garbinger and bestiality league for awfulness.

Please strive to do better next time, thanks.

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Dr1MaR wrote:

This clearly demonstrates you guys read 0 feedback on forums! You, GGG and your team is out of touch with the game! You do not read feedback and if you did you would have known that the biggest reason people don't run mastermind lair because it ruins the whole betrayal setup! You guys have no idea how to balance your game, you just keep making new content without actually figuring out WTF you are doing! This makes me give up on providing any sort of feedback for you guys anymore.

Totally agree with that...

In my opinion, it's been a long time that GGG just release new league/expansion and avoid to adress several game issues. Also, I think that some game decisions are far away from the average player base.

It's been pointed by a lot of players that Mastermind fight is garbage, rewards are not worth, and the time to unlock that fight is too much. But have you changed some of that? No.

A lot of players have pointed that current Alva spawn system makes reaaaaaally difficult to achieve tier3 rooms. Have you done something about that? No.

A lot of players have pointed that Niko should have spawn always 3 sulphite nodes. Have you done something about that? No.

A loooot of players have pointed that some challenge objectives are simply absurd (like the 400 atlas objectives). Have you done something? No.


Betrayal legue design is a failure in my opinion. This league is great because of the master's rework. But you GGG seem to make decisions having in mind only those players that can play several hours a day. Dou you truly think it's a suprise that only 1.08% of players have completed 36 challenges? Dou you really understand your own game? It requires a lot of time to get those challenges. I've done 30 and it's because I had the time to play a lot this league. Also, challenge rewards are not worth. Cloak is nice, but when I think that I have to grind several hours for that, the game becomes repetitive and I decide to pass on that.

You keep throwing us new content, and that's great, but it's not balanced. It takes a long of time to fill Mastermind intelligence house, only to get garbage rewards. Research house is probably the best one in rewards term, but it spwans a lot less than the other houses.

Harbinguer league was a low quality one in my opinion. Bestiary league's design was a failure. IMO Incursion became really boring in short time. I start to play the game, and it's really frustrating that I get bored really fast because almost every aspect of the game requires tedious grind.

Delve league was one of the best. Now I can't mine as much as I wanted if I not buy suplhite scarabs. And do not tell me it's easy to do that. Not all the players have currency to sustain that.

At this moment, trade is one of the uggliest aspects of the game. You GGG are not doing nothing on that.

Map system endgame is getting boring also. Several map layouts duplicated (channel and waterways for example), bosses with immune phases, difficult for average player to sustain maps by only playing maps (you need to trade to buy sextants, chisels... play temple and mine chambers, use scarabs...), etc...

You add new gem skills every league, and almost all of them are garbage. Who's using shattering steel or lancing steel, or summon phantasm on kill, or spectral shield throw? More is not better. Better is better. Less content, better balanced, and with no need to grind 4 or 5 hours a day. And that way you'll get better player retention IMO.

Next week you'll give us information on the new league, it will be exciting for sure, but in no time it will become another boring-grinding-league.

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Vranesh wrote:

How exactly are we supposed to influence which we can run? Just using intelligence, or is there a better farming method where you neglect some divisions?