Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012
" yeah, GW1 debate all over again ^^; well... 8 players in a instanced game does make a game a MMO. MMOG = Massively Multiplayer Online Game. If you don't see the difference between GW1 and GW2 (because GW2 is now a real MMO), I can't help it, read some definition online ^^;; PoE forums ignore list script:
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I would like my beta invitation Sir.
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" Lol. What are you saying man? Because it is illegal it will be same as it was legal? Your logic here is a lot wrong. |
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" Lol. What are you saying man? Because it is illegal it will be same as it was legal? Your logic here is a lot wrong.[/quote] Why is what I'm saying wrong? Just because it's not legal doesn't mean people don't have access to the exact same thing. To quote one of the several hilarious jessy slaugher memes, there is no 'Cyber Police' and the illegal activities will not and can not be stopped. So why would it not be the same thing, other than from a moral standpoint? ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse Last edited by Tagek#6585 on Mar 30, 2012, 4:45:00 PM
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" Because, there is a risk, and if it's illegal, it will not be in that big numbers like it would be in games where it's legal. You sound exactly like blizzard, and their comments on RMHA. |
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" I don't want to debate with you what makes a game a MMO or not. You can search from wikipedia to other more technical magazine or sites what make a game a MMO. |
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" But then it's even worse isn't it? The only reason buying items in the first place can be found bad is by implying that people who don't buy it are behind in power on others. This means that, when it's illegal, in order to keep up with the power of players who buy items, you have to buy items illegally yourself, which has risks involved, rather than a safe system that is always reliable. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse Last edited by Tagek#6585 on Mar 30, 2012, 4:53:24 PM
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" How can it be wors that few players that have money and risk to buy items are overpowered if its ilegal, than legal and a lot of players that have money are overpowered? Becose of RMHA that is legal, almost everyone can buy power for money because it's easy to do it, and safe. If its ilegal, people will buy less becouse it's not easy, and not totally safe. |
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" Well I'll explain why this isn't really relevant. I have once bought a small amount of items in diablo 2 myself. It was from a known, reliable site. It was incredibly easy to do and took about 10 minutes total. In diablo 2 this was considered illegal, yet a METRIC TON of people did it. This will be the same in POE, and would have been in D3. At least this way people that want to purchase items can do it safely, without any risk, and players can make a profit out of it too, which is a cool mechanic that might make a good drop feel even more rewarding. And to be honest, why does the purchasing of items even matter in these types of games? As I said, a ton of players bought items in diablo 2. Did it matter? No. Because the game, unlike MMOS like WoW, etc, never directly compares you to other players. I was never bothered by other people having better items than me, why should I? Ok, there was one exception where I met a guy with full charms (in non-ladder I might add) that was a beast in pvp, but he spent a shitload of money to get those, and someone could do the same thing in POE or D3 if you'd like. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.
The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse |
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MrTastix: Thank you for your extremely worthy contributions. :)
Everyone else: good grief! Ragnar made a mistake, and I think he was more than sufficiently slammed for it. GW1, D, POE, not MMORPG (we do call them MMOs for short, all semantics aside). Okay. Now, about the RMAH: Yes, Blizzard can and do claim that what they're doing is making what was once illegal, legal -- but how easy is it to cheer for this gallant, noble move when you consider *just how much money they are going to make off it*? There was absolutely no need for them to tag on user fees *per fucking transaction* -- that doesn't make real money trading for intangible goods any safer, it just makes them richer. This is why I said earlier that for all my gripes, I didn't touch on the RMAH because it's the bloody herd of elephants in the room any time someone wants to praise Diablo 3 to the High Heavens (which, I have been amused to discover, was the original setting of Blizzard North's Diablo 3 -- THAT would have been gold). At the base of it, Blizzard have turned Diablo into WoW not through the aesthetics or even the character system, but through their own view of it: as a cash-cow. Diablo 1 and 2 were of course amazingly successful but not once as I played either did I get the feeling that Blizzard was *still* making money off me post-purchase. Bnet was free, everything in game was free. Barring ISP costs, my Diablo 2 experience for all these years has cost less than 200 bucks. Not bad, man, not bad at all. So the counter-argument is 'don't use the RMAH if you're worried about post-sale costs.' Fair enough. I certainly did plan to plant my head into the sand on that one. As a single player who rarely co-ops with strangers, I'm pretty familiar with that move. But like I said, this whole RMAH+'fees' really rams down a savvy player's throat just how WoW-like Diablo 3 must look to Blizzard on paper, how they're rubbing their hands in glee at monthly projections for RMAH earnings. That's much harder to ignore, when you feel betrayed like that. Totalbiscuit/Cynicalbrit put it a LOT better than I ever could. His rant is nothing short of sublime. https://linktr.ee/wjameschan -- everything I've ever done worth talking about, and even that is debatable. Huh. My mace dude is now an actual cultist of Chayula. That's kinda wild. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Mar 30, 2012, 5:15:40 PM
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