Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012

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Disillusioned wrote:

Right, let us not mention the atrocity that was "roleplay" in WoW. No man should have to see that many unclothed purple amazons in an Inn.

...Good lord. As you can probably tell, I was an avid roleplayer on my chosen MMOs, and even on Battle.net in the channels. I was young, maybe not so stupid, and VERY arrogant.

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Faerie_Storm wrote:

But it might be possible to catch a bot in action via making accounts with suspected bot behaviour input something from a displayed picture ;)

Also, this. I have played a couple of free MMo's where they ask you to input a captcha once in a while. 100% effective vs bots.

Thanks for bringing this up Faerie, I completely forgot!

What a brilliant idea. Too bad if you're afk though. ;)

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

What a brilliant idea. Too bad if you're afk though. ;)

Not really. Just the idea alone would make nearly impossible to do. They could simply make you go offline if you fail to enter the code within 20 seconds or so.

And perhaps, if you do it on a very very regular basis, give you a warning about.

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Tagek wrote:

I don't think you understand what kind of systems I'm referring to.

Bots only have a select few actions available to them, and thus they act in very particular ways, like taking a perfect path to a certain destination or knowing exactly where every elite monster is and killing them very quikly.

Any type of specific gameplay behaviour and whatnot, can be tracked. When they conclude your behaviour is very likely non-human, they might take a look at how often you show this behaviour etc. If they conclude you are in fact using a bot, they can then proceed to permanently shut down your account.

Again, bots don't need to have perfect path and to be predictable. It can have a set of random behaviors that change on every game, time, in other words it's programing. With time I can make a lot of different behaviors for my bot if such things are needed.

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miljan wrote:

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Tagek wrote:

I don't think you understand what kind of systems I'm referring to.

Bots only have a select few actions available to them, and thus they act in very particular ways, like taking a perfect path to a certain destination or knowing exactly where every elite monster is and killing them very quikly.

Any type of specific gameplay behaviour and whatnot, can be tracked. When they conclude your behaviour is very likely non-human, they might take a look at how often you show this behaviour etc. If they conclude you are in fact using a bot, they can then proceed to permanently shut down your account.

Again, bots don't need to have perfect path and to be predictable. It can have a set of random behaviors that change on every game, time, in other words it's programing. With time I can make a lot of different behaviors for my bot if such things are needed.

The thing is, there are no behaviours to change. What's the point of having a bot if he's going to take crappy routes and farm slowly, just to avoid being detected?

Also, even in the days of D2, maphack was detectable by blizzard. I can't even imagine how quikly you'll be found, and appropriately sodomised, when you would use such a thing in diablo 3 on battle.net 2.



Also: The captcha thing just annihilates bots alltogether.

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Tagek wrote:

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Faerie_Storm wrote:

But it might be possible to catch a bot in action via making accounts with suspected bot behaviour input something from a displayed picture ;)

Also, this. I have played a couple of free MMo's where they ask you to input a captcha once in a while. 100% effective vs bots.

Thanks for bringing this up Faerie, I completely forgot!

This type of thing does work. But it will not happen for a paid game, there is to much risk to ban people that are afk, or lose connection.

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Tagek wrote:

The thing is, there are no behaviours to change. What's the point of having a bot if he's going to take crappy routes and farm slowly, just to avoid being detected?

Also, even in the days of D2, maphack was detectable by blizzard. I can't even imagine how quikly you'll be found, and appropriately sodomised, when you would use such a thing in diablo 3 on battle.net 2.



Also: The captcha thing just annihilates bots alltogether.

The point is that you dont need to play it, he can do it for you, and farm items.

Maphacks are not same as bots, they are done differently.

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miljan wrote:

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Tagek wrote:

The thing is, there are no behaviours to change. What's the point of having a bot if he's going to take crappy routes and farm slowly, just to avoid being detected?

Also, even in the days of D2, maphack was detectable by blizzard. I can't even imagine how quikly you'll be found, and appropriately sodomised, when you would use such a thing in diablo 3 on battle.net 2.



Also: The captcha thing just annihilates bots alltogether.

The point is that you dont need to play it, he can do it for you, and farm items.

Maphacks are not same as bots, they are done differently.

No, but in order for bots to be effective they need maphack. Ever wondered why baalrun hammer paladins got to Throne of destruction so fast? They know exactly where the entrances to the next areas are, and just take a straight B-line towards it.

Also, the captcha thing does work.
It's not even really about banning people that don't enter it, it's just something that logs you out if you don't enter it within, say, a minute or so.

For example: If you go to bed and let a bot do runs for you while you sleep, after 10 minutes a captcha entry pops up. Since nothing (in the hands of consumers anyway) exists yet that can successfully enter captchas, the game automatically logs your bot out, and when you wake up you'll find that he's barely done anything for you.

Also, you could say 'well why not just let the bot log back in and play for just 10 minutes at a time?'

Well, that's one of the most easily detectable strategies ever. After 2, or even just 1 day(s) of doing that you would have either a warning or a straight up permaban on your ass.


EDIT: I use words like 'also' way too much, or even completely wrong. English, WHY U NO MY FIRST LANGUAGE!!!

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Tagek wrote:

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miljan wrote:

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Tagek wrote:

The thing is, there are no behaviours to change. What's the point of having a bot if he's going to take crappy routes and farm slowly, just to avoid being detected?

Also, even in the days of D2, maphack was detectable by blizzard. I can't even imagine how quikly you'll be found, and appropriately sodomised, when you would use such a thing in diablo 3 on battle.net 2.



Also: The captcha thing just annihilates bots alltogether.

The point is that you dont need to play it, he can do it for you, and farm items.

Maphacks are not same as bots, they are done differently.

No, but in order for bots to be effective they need maphack. Ever wondered why baalrun hammer paladins got to Throne of destruction so fast? They know exactly where the entrances to the next areas are, and just take a straight B-line towards it.

It doesnt need maphaces if the goal is to farm random areas. D3 is not about farming bosses, but random areas. Also maphack was used only for finding bosses, so bot can go there without searching for it.