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@Miljan They can't let the system just continue and act like it doesn't exist, that simply isn't a move they could have made. Also, given battle.net 2.0, bots will not be there. Some people might try, but after several permanent bans I'm pretty sure people will stop being morons in that regard. :) ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse	Posted by Tagek#6585 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:32:45 AM Quote this Post
" Disillusioned wrote: @Charan Hm, I have to say that while I think Warcraft was well-established and was renowned for the RTS games, WoW was Blizzard's first attempt at "challenging" themselves. You mentioned Dune 2 as an RTS game, and I'm going to be honest and say that I never played it nor did I hear of it until six or so years ago. The only other RTS games off the top of my head that existed in those times were Command & Conquer and Age of Empires. Basically, Blizzard had a strangehold on that from the near get-go. Diablo didn't have any actual contenders and was mostly unchallenged (though you could debate Dungeon Siege). The MMO market already had games in it and established including the then head honcho of Everquest. When WoW came out, Everquest II was not too far behind and it had superior graphical quality yet it likely held those traditional MMO quirks you mentioned. I felt like Blizzard took a real chance/risk to finally break Warcraft away from RTS and become its own entity and did their homework on a genre that was nowhere near the size it is now. They took the complexity and hid it behind the curtains, simplified, made a good and user-friendly interface, allow modifications, and make seeing endgame humanly possible without risking bloodclots in your legs. The way how they had their Battle.net playerbase shift over to WoW was masterfully done and I admire them for going into a galaxy and absorbing all the planets. And I also think similarly to you on how WoW will "die." I don't know if Blizzard's games actually have a way to die as there always seems to be some sort of community around, even to this day. But if WoW is going to die, it is going to bring the MMO genre down with it. At this point, that dimension may as well be called "The Warcraft genre." A crash ala the video-game crash of the 1980's must occur for MMOs and in that fallout can new ones emerge and not struggle after six months. Ah, now this I can address. Everquest 2 was a technical monster. I had a pretty beastly pc at the time and it couldn't run EQ2. Virtually nothing could. By that point, I think WoW had been announced and everyone was getting over Their Current MMO. EverQuest 1 was getting abandoned for 2 by the developers/support at SonyEQ, DAoC was getting a bit stale and suffering from ever-increasing lag in the frontiers. Everyone knew Blizzard were RichAsFuck(tm) and that if anyone could make a great MMO, it was them. And it was them. I've made it clear that I was there and watched it all happen. The only thing that didn't play out as I (tragically and mostly silently) predicted was the lack of roleplay in WoW. It seemed quite the haven for it when I played the beta and I knew a lot of my RP friends from DAoC and even Battle.net would be playing WoW... But I guess the lack of a dedicated RP environment (EQ1 and DAoC both had very good RP opportunities) and fecundity of aforementioned idiots killed even that. Edit: I'm equally deferring to Avireyn's WoW experience, given their post above. https://linktr.ee/wjameschan -- everything I've ever done worth talking about, and even that is debatable. Huh. My mace dude is now an actual cultist of Chayula. That's kinda wild. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:35:14 AM	Posted by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:34:01 AM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" miljan wrote: I propose them to not be a ass, and make it so that every retarded kid can sell items with no effort. Also it would not be there in such big numbers. Bots will be there. Should they legalize it also? Maybe pay 5$ a month so you can use bots? Legal RMHA is not same as illegal. Actually as long as you sell first you can do so without adding any money in the RMAH, so yes an kid could do it without effort. Julius's path of exile wine bundle for mac here: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/48708/page/1	Posted by Faerie_Storm#2108 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:34:43 AM Quote this Post
" Tagek wrote: @Miljan They can't let the system just continue and act like it doesn't exist, that simply isn't a move they could have made. Also, given battle.net 2.0, bots will not be there. Some people might try, but after several permanent bans I'm pretty sure people will stop being morons in that regard. :) Yes they could. It is a better move than this one. But no, they want money from that also. I dont know if you understand how bots work, but they can't stop bots. If controls are done on your computer locally, they can't stop them. Last edited by miljan#1261 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:36:36 AM	Posted by miljan#1261 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:35:31 AM Quote this Post
" Faerie_Storm wrote: " miljan wrote: I propose them to not be a ass, and make it so that every retarded kid can sell items with no effort. Also it would not be there in such big numbers. Bots will be there. Should they legalize it also? Maybe pay 5$ a month so you can use bots? Legal RMHA is not same as illegal. Actually as long as you sell first you can do so without adding any money in the RMAH, so yes an kid could do it without effort. This. If you don't spend money on it, the RMAH is the same as the in game AH. If you want to buy anything from it, you'll need to have something to sell first. Once you sell that and get currency, you can trade that currency for more items. The only difference between them is that the currencies have different symbols in this regard. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse	Posted by Tagek#6585 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:36:15 AM Quote this Post
" miljan wrote: " Tagek wrote: @Miljan They can't let the system just continue and act like it doesn't exist, that simply isn't a move they could have made. Also, given battle.net 2.0, bots will not be there. Some people might try, but after several permanent bans I'm pretty sure people will stop being morons in that regard. :) Yes they could. It is a better move than this one. But no, they wont money from that also. I dont know if you understand how bots work, but they can't stop bots. If controls are done on your computer locally, they can't stop them. You are right, they can't 'stop' the bots. But what they can do is use algorithms to detect bot activity and then permanently ban the account of the player who is using them. Sounds like a good deterrent to me. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse Last edited by Tagek#6585 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:37:34 AM	Posted by Tagek#6585 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:37:09 AM Quote this Post
Right, let us not mention the atrocity that was "roleplay" in WoW. No man should have to see that many unclothed purple amazons in an Inn.	Posted by Disillusioned#1893 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:38:50 AM Quote this Post
" Tagek wrote: " miljan wrote: " Tagek wrote: @Miljan They can't let the system just continue and act like it doesn't exist, that simply isn't a move they could have made. Also, given battle.net 2.0, bots will not be there. Some people might try, but after several permanent bans I'm pretty sure people will stop being morons in that regard. :) Yes they could. It is a better move than this one. But no, they wont money from that also. I dont know if you understand how bots work, but they can't stop bots. If controls are done on your computer locally, they can't stop them. You are right, they can't 'stop' the bots. But what they can do is use algorithms to detect bot activity and then permanently ban the account of the player who is using them. Sounds like a good deterrent to me. Again, they cant detect bots because algoritam is on your computer locally, done by your comp. You will be abel to hide bots the same way like in wow Last edited by miljan#1261 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:41:44 AM	Posted by miljan#1261 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:40:57 AM Quote this Post
But it might be possible to catch a bot in action via making accounts with suspected bot behaviour input something from a displayed picture ;) Julius's path of exile wine bundle for mac here: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/48708/page/1	Posted by Faerie_Storm#2108 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:44:52 AM Quote this Post
I don't think you understand what kind of systems I'm referring to. Bots only have a select few actions available to them, and thus they act in very particular ways, like taking a perfect path to a certain destination or knowing exactly where every elite monster is and killing them very quikly. Any type of specific gameplay behaviour and whatnot, can be tracked. When they conclude your behaviour is very likely non-human, they might take a look at how often you show this behaviour etc. If they conclude you are in fact using a bot, they can then proceed to permanently shut down your account. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse	Posted by Tagek#6585 on Apr 20, 2012, 9:46:21 AM Quote this Post