Haven't really ever commented on lab, but I hate it.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

I find it hilarious how you think the power difference is soo large that its unfeasible that you cant play without them.

Not sure which parts of my posts that you aren't reading, but I am playing without them. That doesn't make them an optional. They are now a core part of the game and to claim otherwise is absurd.

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ShaUrley wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

I find it hilarious how you think the power difference is soo large that its unfeasible that you cant play without them.

Not sure which parts of my posts that you aren't reading, but I am playing without them. That doesn't make them an optional. They are now a core part of the game and to claim otherwise is absurd.

They arent a core part of the game because theyre OPTIONAL. A core part of game would be a quest that quite literally prohibits you from progressing without completing it.

And no, i do know that and read it, but your sarcastic statement shows your actual thought process.

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

Chris has stated that the ascendancies are, in fact, now considered a core part of the game.

You're correct, ShaUrley.

Still making fictitious statements with absolutely no source. Well, thats typical considering its made up or taken out of context from the podcast in which ive debunked in the other Labyrinth thread post in which Turtledove had no excuse for after it was pointed out.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

Chris has stated that the ascendancies are, in fact, now considered a core part of the game.

You're correct, ShaUrley.

Still making fictitious statements with absolutely no source.

I took a quick look through the HPC ladder and the first non-ascended character I found (possibly I missed one or two) was a lvl 88 Marauder (Blurblurb on the account Hachaturan) ranked #2295 on the ladder. So yes, ascendancy points are so optional that 1/2295 players do not take them for the endgame.

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ShaUrley wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

Chris has stated that the ascendancies are, in fact, now considered a core part of the game.

You're correct, ShaUrley.

Still making fictitious statements with absolutely no source.

I took a quick look through the HPC ladder and the first non-ascended character I found (possibly I missed one or two) was a lvl 88 Marauder (Blurblurb on the account Hachaturan) ranked #2295 on the ladder. So yes, ascendancy points are so optional that 1/2295 players do not take them for the endgame.

Ladder doesnt matter.

Also its hardcore, people want as much free power as they can get to survive, of course its going to seem "mandatory".

Youre arguing entirely on personal opinions and not facts. This is precisely why people dont even take time to bother to respond to labyrinth hate threads because their remarks are irrational and hate fueled.

Ill say it again like i said before. One small look over the patch notes for both 2.2-2.3 says youre wrong.

Yeah the lab is just garbage and I don't like it .

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Youre arguing entirely on personal opinions and not facts.

It's a fact that just about every high lvl player --- almost without exception --- in both the SC Prophecy and HC Prophecy leagues has taken an ascendancy class. Ascendancy classes are not an optional part of PoE; they are a core part of the game.

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Ill say it again like i said before. One small look over the patch notes for both 2.2-2.3 says youre wrong.

Which patch note do you have in mind?

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ShaUrley wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Youre arguing entirely on personal opinions and not facts.

It's a fact that just about every high lvl player --- almost without exception --- in both the SC Prophecy and HC Prophecy leagues has taken an ascendancy class. Ascendancy classes are not an optional part of PoE; they are a core part of the game.

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Ill say it again like i said before. One small look over the patch notes for both 2.2-2.3 says youre wrong.

Which patch note do you have in mind?

Broken record.

Youve even acknowledged its optional currently.

Also its not core to the game. Not Ascending doesnt prevent you from doing maps (end game content) at all.

Feel free to say its "core" when it actually says you have to do it and when you can not proceed past an actual core part of the game without them.

Read 2.2 - 2.3 patch notes. Nothing changed that would break a build and make it worse afterwards, hints why everyone called Ascendancy points free power creep points.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Also its not core to the game. Not Ascending doesnt prevent you from doing maps (end game content) at all.

this is so ridiculous statement that i absolutely need to bash it.

not having rings doesn't prevent a build from clearing maps
not having amu doesn't prevent a build from clearing maps
not having x* doesn't prevent a build from clearing maps

*insert just about anything to replace the x and the statement is still valid

-> nothing in your opinion is core game. good opinions you have there, matey.