...::: SFL Poll results and conclusions :::...

The original thread had 9300 views and generated about 130 votes.

Let's assume for a second that many of those views were from repeat offenders. Lets imagine that in total about only 1000 unique visitors came to the thread. Out of our assumed 1000 people, only 130 or so could be bothered to vote.

How many of the 870 who didnt vote do you think were in favor of the idea and chose not to raise their hand for it. How many do you think simply gave no fucks? How many are against it and simply couldnt be bothered to vote. Now I admit its mostly guesswork on my part but I believe a lot of those who chose not to participate would fall into the latter two categories given how vocal the self found adherants tend to be anout wanting game modes catered to them.

I applaud the op's effort but believe he jumped the shark when he started claiming his poll was indicative of the community at large.


Disclaimer: guesswork and assumptions went into this post.

Not to mention that the poll in itself, despite the amount of answers, had two positive options, one neutral, and one against.

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Nightprowler wrote:

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zachatta wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

What makes less sense. A) People asking for something they want even though they might not get it? or B) people complaining about what those people want even though it would have no affect on them at all?

You people complaining about a request from the community make no sense.

Because GGG has stated repeatedly it isn't apart of......wait for it......THEIR vision.

It is their game, deal with it.

Way to skirt the question. So how does a "vocal minority" voicing their opinion to GGG about GGG's vision affect YOU and cause YOU to complain about it? To play devils advocate.

My response is that GGG is a small company with limited resources and as such i would prefer they devote those resources to improving the overall game rather then cater to what i believe is a small but very vocal populations interests. How many new leagues would they have to create and manage? How much time every patch cycle are they going to put into balance issues for self found.

Also the only credible arguement Ive read for self found is to improve drop rates to make it easier for SF players which Im not a fan of either. I havent as a person been convinced that you need a special game mode to play self found. So, those are the reasons I'm against it.

The biggest issue with SFL is that there is no consensus as to what SFL should entail.
Many people advocate for an SFL yet they have different views of what it is. This in itself is an issue for having it installed in the current game.

Imagine GGG said, sure we will implement it. And they do so...

How many angry mob polls do you think would appear in GD claiming GGG screwed them over because it isn't there vision of SFL that was installed?..

Some people might respond to this post "i will play any SFL GGG implements", but then again, they already have an SF option within the game, like GGG has stated before.

I am sorry for the people who feel SF is not an option within the current game, since a lot of people i know and myself are already doing this in the current state of the game without much problems.

Like i mentioned in a previues post, i get to act 3 mercilles without trading AND using orbs.
If this is possible within the current version, what is stopping you in your progress as a SF player?

(i am currently also playing a no "body armour" character, and am in act 3 cruell soon i will reach mercilles, just to demonstrate it is an opinion if SF is possible ore not)

Edit : i play SF not because i love playing that way, i play it because i cannot be bothered trading in the current state of the game and with the current trade system. If they implement a solid trading system, most likely i will drop playing SF and use the trading system.

I feel its entirely unnecesary to split even more the player base,strongly against.

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deshaboo wrote:

I feel its entirely unnecesary to split even more the player base,strongly against.

wait for PVP events
CT league
player made leagues

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TheTrueNephyte wrote:

repeat offenders

What are we dealing with here? Forum criminals?

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TheTrueNephyte wrote:

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Nightprowler wrote:

Way to skirt the question. So how does a "vocal minority" voicing their opinion to GGG about GGG's vision affect YOU and cause YOU to complain about it? To play devils advocate.

My response is that GGG is a small company with limited resources and as such i would prefer they devote those resources to improving the overall game rather then cater to what i believe is a small but very vocal populations interests. How many new leagues would they have to create and manage? How much time every patch cycle are they going to put into balance issues for self found.

Also the only credible arguement Ive read for self found is to improve drop rates to make it easier for SF players which Im not a fan of either. I havent as a person been convinced that you need a special game mode to play self found. So, those are the reasons I'm against it.

This wasn't even directed at you, it was for Zachatta, but before you go talking about what I need, I think you should go back to my post in the original thread and check the attitude.

Also are you really gonna hide behind the dev time argument? I'll give it to you that in this case it might actually be true, but this has been the argument against people asking for things for every game just about ever including Blizzard games. It's tired and played out and until you see their financial statements, budget layout, and projected project times the argument's worth about what this text is.

Dashaboo wrote:

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I feel its entirely unnecesary to split even more the player base,strongly against.

Totally not an issue..Players who want selfound allready play the game in that way..
No trading/partying=you will not notice any difference..
I (We) just want a seperate "fair" ladder / maybe an adjustment to droprates endgame.
A less spammed general chat that I actually could have turned on during playing...
It will not affect the other leagus at all so I cant really understand why some peeps/GGG are against it..
Brgds ,
L

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deshaboo wrote:

I feel its entirely unnecesary to split even more the player base,strongly against.

Self found does not necessarily have to be in a different league. It could be done in the same league as everyone, e.g.:

- Self found should not be a separate league but a part of any league

- Trading should be allowed

- Items should have a field that shows the name of whoever found the item

- If the item is equipped by the same person all the stats on the item should get a bonus, say 10% (bonus should be visible on the item stat sheet)

- If the item is traded the name will go blank and the stat bonuses will disappear

- For every level gained using only self found items all item stats get a 0.25% bonus to stats (max bonus 25% at level 100), if at any time a non self found item is equipped the bonus disappears forever

- Whenever a self found orb is used on a self found item there is a higher percent chance of getting a better result (only for orbs where this makes sense like fusing or orbs that reroll values)

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deshaboo wrote:

I feel its entirely unnecesary to split even more the player base,strongly against.

are you sure? do you prefer xxx players leaving poe for other games with bind-on-account mode available?