The rich get richer, the poor get screwed

In D2 I could play for fun and get great items with way less required time than PoE.
I could get archon nigma with WAY less time than I've been playing in OBT, and I didn't get anything like a Kaom's (if thats a good comparison).

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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Lordofthedreadz wrote:

If you are saying that you dont want to take part in the trade then your opinion indeed does not matter and its silly to post a QQ about economy, economy affect only people who do trade you see.....

Saying "I'd rather not trade anyting thx" does not make the discussion go any further or did I missed something?

Yes, you missed what was relevant in my post and jumped on what was less relevant, so you could call it...irrelevant.

Let me repeat it.

The currency sink fails to hit where it needs.
The number one way of getting rich is to trade solely, completely, utterly. There are people who do this without a care for content. These are the most wealthy, these actually have a say in what the economy is. The currency sink doesn't touch their wealth.

^That is the relevant part.

It's just adding insult to injury when the currency sink, a content gate, actually affects those who don't partake in the economy by gating content.

^That is the not so relevant part that you jumped on while ignoring the rest.


As for the economy not affecting me because I don't partake... It does, immensely, because in an aRPG, supposedly hardcore aRPG, I have 2 options to access challenging content.
1) Be a shopper/shop keeper.
2) Faceroll MF lowball unlocked content for hours and hours for a tiny slice of challenge.

^I don't find either of these very fitting to the claim this game makes.

Now, dwell on the less relevant if you want, but it is you who is dwelling on it. Or address the relevant part because it, them both, are real.

And what is the claim that this fame make that it fails to deliver?

That is is hardcore : its hardcore for first time players, believe me most of them will quit after getting owned 20 times in a row by Merveil normal.

That this is online

That this is an ARPG : like I said in another thread PoE is much more an Hack and Slash than an ARPG but I do believe theres way more hits on search engines for ARPG than for Hack and Slash, Diablo and Diablo 2 are NOT ARPG but Hack and Slash and devs made very clear that they were inspired by these titles.

This is no mistery that this game resolve around RNG, MF, grind and trade to advance, this was like this in other Hack and Slash and I dont see why it should be different here, Self Found has no place in an online Hack and Slash in my opinion, if there were room for that they would have made an offline client allowing you to play offline for that, it is not undoable, it was working great on Diablo 2, both offline and online offered a very different experience but I doubt GGG wants to make an offline client and from their answers in the SFL thread it seems that they wont make any SFL league either as they believe (rightfuly so) that you can play Self Found the way it is now.

Now you tell me that you want to be part of the online ladder without engaging in any of the online activities? Dude seriously find another game.

This is just another QQ post about who is the richest and who get the best items, you want to get the best items? Grind the content with MF or flip items all day, there is no simpler solution, increasing the drop rates will either render the game dull and too easy or make a price inflation if we drop more orbs, it will be also a lot easier to craft in this case as more orbs = more chances to successfuly craft.

Before you burst into flames I want to point out that I have about 10ex worth of orbs in my stash, I am not among the richest, far from there but I am happy the way it is, I believe I am not the only one that is happy the way it is as I doubt theres more than 20 - 30% of the population that actually post in the forum.

In short : deal with it or find another game that matches your expectations, there is no way to please everyone.

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Amarena wrote:

In D2 I could play for fun and get great items with way less required time than PoE.
I could get archon nigma with WAY less time than I've been playing in OBT, and I didn't get anything like a Kaom's (if thats a good comparison).

How many Windforce did you dropped self found? How many Grandfather? How many high level runewords with high level runes did you achieved?

I personally NEVER dropped a Windforce while playing Diablo 2 online for more tyhan 2 years straight and I was playing damn hardcore, the runs I did on every boss are way too many to even start to count, compare what is comparable, I am not saying I never dropped good stuff but the BIS items were damn hard to get.

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Lordofthedreadz wrote:

Completely missplaced rant.

Dude, I LOVE SELF FOUND GEAR PROGRESSION IN PoE.

It's the content gating, the challenge gating, the forced 'ease' at end game that I object to. That being the choice to either buy/sell <- not hardcore or MF faceroll <- not hardcore.

Just to put you in the picture.

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HandsomeBear wrote:

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Azarius wrote:

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AntonChigur wrote:

ya the one thing I don't like is that if you wish to get rich or rich enough to buy gear, the last thing you should be doing is actually playing the game.

Some of you neophytes don't realize that some of us rich people got rich without using RMT. We can also play the game doing maps and TRADE at the same time... it's not hard at all. I come from MASTER LEAGUE level play on Starcraft 2, and that game requires way way way more multitasking than this game. It's super easy for me to do a map and trade at the same time...

People need to stop generalizing us rich people... some of us got to where we are LEGIT.

Wut? You're proud you can look at a PM, tell the person to wait a minute or instantly leave the map to make a trade? Not to mention, THIS is what gets you the moneizz??? :x

In all seriousness though, for anyone who wants to get rich- you wont have much fun in the beginning, it'll mean min-maxing everything and reading up on a lot of strategies on what to keep what to vendor what recipes are useful etc etc. All of this will ofc become a habit with time and if you play long enough you'll start accumulating currency at a faster and faster pace. But only if this behavior is coupled with constant influx of mediocre items to sell on the forums and an occasional lucky drop :3

Don't expect to be trying out new builds and all that until you got a solid base of wealth though and most importantly- don't expect to get the epic drops yourself, you'll most likely get disappointed. Most players wont ever see the top-tier drops for themselves.

However, if you find that you enjoy playing the game at a more casual pace there's plenty of room to try new build and do whatever you want while still having a shot at getting the mid-tier drops to fuel your new characters. But I strongly recommend looking up at least some recipes along with some tips and tricks to avoid wasting currency for nothing.

Cheers!

Please read carefully... I have 400 + clan members, and that does not include other people who pm me who are not part of my clan... I can do what I want as long as it abides by the rules, so just let me be...

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Lordofthedreadz wrote:

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Amarena wrote:

(if thats a good comparison).

compare what is comparable

You didn't MF much in D2, did you?

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Amarena wrote:

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Lordofthedreadz wrote:

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Amarena wrote:

(if thats a good comparison).

compare what is comparable

You didn't MF much in D2, did you?

Please avoid commenting what I was doing or not, I did have some of the best MF toons back then, I went up to about 1000MF on a single frost sorc before realizing I got better drops with around 500, I never dropped a Windforce because I was unlucky and the drop rate was something like 0.001%.

Same goes in PoE theres some items that will take an outrageous long time to drop for a grinder and will never drop for the average player, yet people cant stop complain about them.

Funny thats the only point you come back on tho....

@TheAnuart the end game is not yet to be implemented in game, sure you have maps but we are yet to see the final act and final boss.

This game was build around the idea of an online community trading, that it is hardcore or not is not the point, in a larger picture PoE is way more hardcore than most games of this genre released since D2 if not all, not hardcore because it will be difficult, its meant for you to be able to facetank the content at some point as an achievment (if that bother you its time to reroll), but hardcore because it will take time for you to achieve this, hence your 3500 hours of self found.

As you can see you are quite wealthy without needing flipping items, it just took you way more time to do so in front of flippers but thats not something that can be fixed and every single argument in this thread wold lead to more damages than good IMHO.

I personally have no interest in ladder but even as self found you can run races and be in the ladder, you start the races with a naked character and an empty stash if I am not mistaken.

The only thing all the rants on this forum are doing is making this game a clone of D3 little by little because the devs want to please the QQs, I think that this is very very sad.

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Lordofthedreadz wrote:

@TheAnuart the end game is not yet to be implemented in game, sure you have maps but we are yet to see the final act and final boss.

This game was build around the idea of an online community trading, that it is hardcore or not is not the point, in a larger picture PoE is way more hardcore than most games of this genre released since D2 if not all, not hardcore because it will be difficult, its meant for you to be able to facetank the content at some point as an achievment (if that bother you its time to reroll), but hardcore because it will take time for you to achieve this, hence your 3500 hours of self found.

As you can see you are quite wealthy without needing flipping items, it just took you way more time to do so in front of flippers but thats not something that can be fixed and every single argument in this thread wold lead to more damages than good IMHO.

I personally have no interest in ladder but even as self found you can run races and be in the ladder, you start the races with a naked character and an empty stash if I am not mistaken.

The only thing all the rants on this forum are doing is making this game a clone of D3 little by little because the devs want to please the QQs, I think that this is very very sad.

I don't have any interest in ladders or competition whatsoever, as I've said, the only thing that bothers me is that challenging content is gated behind 2 methods (3 if you include the RMT element which isn't by design but is a result) neither of these 2 methods I find appealing and it's bad for an aRPG, let alone a self claimed hardcore aRPG to gate content this way. You can say it is temporary, you can say the story isn't finished, that matters not one bit. The map system and the currency sink it is used as IS the end game, it will be when other content is added, they like the system, they think it works well, they don't want to change it, I have it in PM from Qarl.

It's funny you mention D3, because it happens that Blizzard have realised the errors in D3, while PoE didn't learn. What's even funnier, is that over the next few months, with changes to trading and loot-finding, there is going to be a massive influx of D3 shoppers descending on PoE for their fix while as bizarre as it sounds, D3 may well become the loot-find, H&S, aRPG that people have missed for so long.

But, we are digressing and discussing the less relevant point of my OP, again, while forgetting the relevance.

Regardless of our discussions, THE CURRENCY SINK MISSES THOSE WHO NEED CURRENCY SUNK. The relevance? The thread title "The rich get richer, the poor get screwed"

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Nerd World Problems.

Is this original, or have I just never happened across it before?

Either way, I laughed my tits off.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

The moment you think of it, someone else already has.

From personal experience I can tell you that this is absolutely not true.