Remove MF completely from game

I agree with OP

Remove MF completely. Balance in party/solo drops and it is done.

Im running a mf-friendly build in a summoner on my main, and I still dont use MF

I want my character to be as powerful as it can, and MF just gimps it. I like playing the game's harder content more than farming easy content for epic lOOtz.

I dont mind others using it though. although a dedicated MF cull-er in groups is pretty bad; I pretty much 100% solo this game though so its not really a big deal for me.

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grepman wrote:

Im running a mf-friendly build in a summoner on my main, and I still dont use MF

I want my character to be as powerful as it can, and MF just gimps it.

I'm currently building a summoner, and based on my experience it's hard to imagine that being true. The "summoner uniques" aren't really all that amazing, no kind of rare gear actually improves your minions much (except maybe the MF-neutral shield slot), and the stats of your actual character are almost immaterial relative to the stats on your minions. I've been stacking MF like a madman and loving it.

I still am going to argue for MF affixes to be removed/nerfed/redesigned-for-build-specificity, but in the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the overpoweredness.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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grepman wrote:

Im running a mf-friendly build in a summoner on my main, and I still dont use MF

I want my character to be as powerful as it can, and MF just gimps it.

I'm currently building a summoner, and based on my experience it's hard to imagine that being true. The "summoner uniques" aren't really all that amazing, no kind of rare gear actually improves your minions much (except maybe the MF-neutral shield slot), and the stats of your actual character are almost immaterial relative to the stats on your minions. I've been stacking MF like a madman and loving it.
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why would I lie ?

I save nodes. I run an EB life-based auromancer. I have zero dex nodes, all my dex (148 without counting the base dex I started with) is on gear. I try to max out every piece of gear with life + strength. also need to get chaos res.

also I run arctic armour so I have mana regen on weapon, both rings and amulet. need +2 minion helm for zombies. need some resists here and there and some armour obviously. as well as some ES for EB. the unique boots have weak base stats already.

as a result, I have a grand total of 4% quantity and 0% rarity on my character, and I dont really care. I could put quantity/rarity gems on my spectres and run some easy 66-68s for shits and giggles but again, thats not my idea of fun

It's actually not about you lying or not. It's just about your character isn't really that much more powerful when non MF stacked against MF stacked option.

I am foreseeing you can have some problems with maps in the next 1-2 levels, but you play Standard, thus your mileage may vary.

Firstly, if you run that easy maps "for shits and giggles", you'll find out more goods that are constantly dropping for you from every second rare monster pack than everything you are used to seeing for the whole your whatever higher level maps you are doing.
Secondly, you have far more chances doing 'shit-giggled' MF runs to get a significant gear upgrade with chaos resist you want than doing what you now consider to be fun to do.
And thirdly, how do you actually feel about secondly?

This is a social game meant for being played in groups.

There is a lot of mfers out there and I see no reason to remove this aspect of the game.

Either you like to clear fast alone or you make every kill worth more it's really up to yourself.

So from my perspective it's a really bad idea to remove it it's well balanced now as it's.

Also ever heard about having multiple chars? so easy to deck one with decent MF gear. My first char on onslaught was a cleaver (still alive) and he could farm most of merciless with around 250 IIR.

Now with more orbs on my hand I made a new mfer (2x spork Summoner) which can do everything in this game (except kill stuff fast) so I just group with people and chain maps all day. Fun as hell I might add.

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Angryweasel wrote:

Also ever heard about having multiple chars? so easy to deck one with decent MF gear. My first char on onslaught was a cleaver (still alive) and he could farm most of merciless with around 250 IIR.

Now with more orbs on my hand I made a new mfer (2x spork Summoner) which can do everything in this game (except kill stuff fast) so I just group with people and chain maps all day. Fun as hell I might add.

The point is that an "MF character" is a bad concept. Everyone should have the option of being an MF character, since MF (and wanting to get loot) is universal to every character.

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pneuma wrote:

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Angryweasel wrote:

Also ever heard about having multiple chars? so easy to deck one with decent MF gear. My first char on onslaught was a cleaver (still alive) and he could farm most of merciless with around 250 IIR.

Now with more orbs on my hand I made a new mfer (2x spork Summoner) which can do everything in this game (except kill stuff fast) so I just group with people and chain maps all day. Fun as hell I might add.

The point is that an "MF character" is a bad concept. Everyone should have the option of being an MF character, since MF (and wanting to get loot) is universal to every character.

Bad concept? It's clearly well balanced as it's

Either you want to clear stuff fast or you want to get more out of every kill it's just 2 different play styles.

I find it kinda troublesome how easy people want stuff these days if GGG succumbed to all the casuals whining the game would be dead as quick as D3 buried and forgotten.

Many seem to forget that this is a group oriented game and if u look in the public parties tab you would fast notice a lot of IIQ, IIR parties where anyone can join in for additional loot.

Mfer uses the other players to clear fast as he just needs to cull the rares/bosses it works well and shows exactly how balanced it's.

In general I'm against removing anything from the game as removing options is never really the answer.

It doesnt even take a day to lvl to 50+ I really cannot see the issue to lvl an mf char and using it when u just wanna farm loot.

Removing it would just make it so you either dps or support nothing else. at least like it's now you have 3 routes to take.

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Daefecator wrote:

It's actually not about you lying or not. It's just about your character isn't really that much more powerful when non MF stacked against MF stacked option.

I am foreseeing you can have some problems with maps in the next 1-2 levels, but you play Standard, thus your mileage may vary.

Firstly, if you run that easy maps "for shits and giggles", you'll find out more goods that are constantly dropping for you from every second rare monster pack than everything you are used to seeing for the whole your whatever higher level maps you are doing.
Secondly, you have far more chances doing 'shit-giggled' MF runs to get a significant gear upgrade with chaos resist you want than doing what you now consider to be fun to do.
And thirdly, how do you actually feel about secondly?

I never claimed the character is "much more powerful", but I like to maximize the meaningful stats, such as hp, resists,damage and so on. if Im deciing between extra 6% life node and dex on gear vs dex node and mf on gear, the choice will be made in the favor of the former

its kinda funny seeing what people tell me what I should play like.

my character is doing just fine. the problem isnt not having currency for upgrades, because I need specific gear that is pretty cheap actually, besides a 6L hybrid chest. problem now is actually finding this specific gear, because there are more up-to-date shops in anarchy than standard. it's actually real tough to find a decent roll dex+chaos resist+mana regen weapon because people just vendor it or dont bother listing it.

again, Im not arguing that I will get much better drops with MF. I just dont care for it.
never cared for MF in any arpg. didnt have any MF before paragon in d3. didnt stack mf in d2. I dont care for MF as a stat. I don't care that *someone* can have 400 quantity and 150 rarity and get sick items every day.

I havent sold a single gear drop in my 6 months of playing the OB besides a few gems people wanted to buy in trade chat.

that doesnt mean I dont have valuable stuff in my stash, I just dont bother to sell. so why do I need gear drops I wont sell and wont use ?

moral of the story: some people like to play the game their own way. you trying to be condescending is silly.