Remove MF completely from game

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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LostForm wrote:

You are choosing more monsters to kill rather than more loot per kill by choosing the maze mod. It is exactly the same as choosing to farm docks much faster rather than slower with more iiq.

No, it is not, because there is a difference between monsters killed per map and monsters killed per unit time.

It's clear at this point that you have no idea how to properly determine units of measurement. I have no intention of further replying to you.

that is why I said map mods are a much more quantifiable and observable example of the the continuum: maximum monsters killed, low reward per monster <-> maximum payout per monster killed, low amount of monsters killed.

What is the same between the two concepts is that you want to kill more monsters in order to maximize your returns, even at the cost of iir/iiq.

I could care less if you choose to respond or not, because bringing up the maze mod as an argument against iir/iiq is a pretty bad argument, as maze mod is the counter point to iir/iiq, in that you sacrifice bonus iir/iiq in order to kill more mobs.

If your argument were supportable, and iir/iiq is "The" mod for farming, at the expense of everything else, then people would be avoiding the maze prefix and other similar affixes, as those mods do not provide extra iir/iiq, since they are not avoiding the prefix, and in fact chase well past the point of positive RoI then obviously there are other things to consider when maximizing your returns for your play time (in maps or otherwise), such as how many monster you kill.

The fact that you not only dont see the connection but are rude to me when discussing it shows you really arnt worth talking to anyways. You can claim whatever you want, but you go to slinging insults and troll like responses rather than supporting your argument. GG.

Fully agree with OP

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iamstryker wrote:

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visiON123 wrote:

A bloo bloo bloo I'm too bad to farm so GGG MUST cater to my needs
lmfao
babies

A perfect example of someone not taking the time to actually listen to anyone in a thread, dropping a short arrogant stereotypical and useless response and taking off. These are the true kids of the forums, regardless of their age they apparently never grew up enough to learn how to communicate.

After destroying the Internet by getting RL standard here, the FPS by removing most of the skill needed to play, the MMO's after removing the time need to level and forcing the end game to be instancied, the RTS by removing the real tactics (now, almost every game is a rush within 20 minutes), after destroying a majority of the offline games by cutting the difficulty to oblivion, you destroyed almost every ARPG by cuttin most of the grinding and you are trying to destroy one of the last game where time matters.

You act like a spoiled child, you could be 12 or 60, you are acting like a kid. If your way of "communicate" is "NERF THIS, THIS IS TOO HARD", I don't need to answer like if you were an adult.

MF should be nerfed because it's too easy. It's the simplest itemization choice, ever.

Reflected damage should be nerfed because it is itself a targeted nerf on (non-remote) glass cannon builds. These builds are already hard enough to play.

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Hovergame wrote:

You act like a spoiled child, you could be 12 or 60, you are acting like a kid. If your way of "communicate" is "NERF THIS, THIS IS TOO HARD", I don't need to answer like if you were an adult.

I don't mind anyone have an opinion that I disagree with but I will actually listen to them to see what they are really saying, that's the difference. Its really disrespectful to other people to put words in their mouths. There's plenty of people in this thread that have said over and over that magic find is NOT too hard, the problem is its too EASY.

But again, it doesn't matter why people don't like magic find, responding to them in such a manner accomplishes nothing. People have given well thought out reasons for why they don't like MF, its not just a bunch of players saying "Nerf MF just cause I want more items", if you respond to people like that's what they said then your simply reading what you want to read.

Not liking magic find does not = kiddish

Raging and insulting people for their opinion = kiddish

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

MF should be nerfed because it's too easy. It's the simplest itemization choice, ever.

Finished what I wrote and then saw your post here. I guess we think more alike than I would have thought.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Hovergame wrote:

You act like a spoiled child, you could be 12 or 60, you are acting like a kid. If your way of "communicate" is "NERF THIS, THIS IS TOO HARD", I don't need to answer like if you were an adult.

I don't mind anyone have an opinion that I disagree with but I will actually listen to them to see what they are really saying, that's the difference. Its really disrespectful to other people to put words in their mouths. There's plenty of people in this thread that have said over and over that magic find is NOT too hard, the problem is its too EASY.

But again, it doesn't matter why people don't like magic find, responding to them in such a manner accomplishes nothing. People have given well thought out reasons for why they don't like MF, its not just a bunch of players saying "Nerf MF just cause I want more items", if you respond to people like that's what they said then your simply reading what you want to read.

Not liking magic find does not = kiddish

Raging and insulting people for their opinion = kiddish

And, again, you will probably tell in your next post how you dont want more drops without MF, but, again, I will quote you :

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I wish I could play the game with any of my characters and still feel like I could find something decent without playing for 10000 hours.

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I don't see MF as giving more builds at all. What I see it doing is making people wonder why their wasting time on builds that suck at MF and consequently find jack crap for loot. Its not about being able to progress its about being able to get currency/uniques to complete their goals with the game. Its kind of hard to ever imagine making a Shavronnes build when your dirt poor.

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You know some people literally CAN'T invest more time into the game. We all aren't kids who have nothing at all better to do. Don't you think the game should feel fun to everyone and not just no lifers?

I could continue, but I need to sleep a bit before going to work.
You will probably now try to explain how you were not talking about increased drops, but the feeling of not losing and blablabla.

Assume your "I WANT MORE DROPS", you will feel better. The problem isn't about if you like or not Mf, the problem is that you don't want to assume you are hiding behind a "problem" to get more loots.

Ah, and Mf is sooo easy that you ask it to be removed and add more loots :) Am I the only one to see the flawed logic here ? You could simply I don't know, use it and show us your wonderful farming high level build of the dead ? A few builds can overuse MF, your answer is "remove MF", while any player with a clue would say "nerf the builds (and gimme more loots)". Lesser impact to the whole community, is a lot easier to balance and doesn't affect the people with a "balanced" builds.

PS MF was used in great games for 20 years. That's not a valid point, but it adds more complexity in a game, when you have to take care of one more stat. Having an opinion is fine, spamming a thread with a clueless opinion isn't.

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Hovergame wrote:

Ah, and Mf is sooo easy that you ask it to be removed and add more loots :) Am I the only one to see the flawed logic here ?

It would appear to be flawed until you actually listen to what people like myself are trying to say. As I said before I have an easy magic find build which I use all of the time. Its a summoner with high MF on nearly every piece of gear that can have it. The loot is great and if thats all I wanted from the game then I wouldn't have a problem with magic find at all. The problem is that most run of the mill builds that people make cannot stack magic find like this nor can they possibly run maps fast enough to make up for having basically no MF. The post you quoted from me is my lament that so many builds out there can't enjoy the farming nearly as much as a smaller amount of builds that people use to achieve loot.

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Hovergame wrote:

You could simply I don't know, use it and show us your wonderful farming high level build of the dead ? A few builds can overuse MF, your answer is "remove MF"

Not what I said at all. More recently what I said was make magic find less important (in whatever way you want) and thats it. I don't care if people end up with more loot or not as long as MF builds don't dominate the game.

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Hovergame wrote:

spamming a thread with a clueless opinion isn't.

You can believe what you want about their opinions (and mine) without coming across as a raging high and mighty know it all.

p.s. I actually like magic find a lot like how its applied to the map system, I just don't care for the way that it has saturated the game as a whole.

Do not remove MF from game ! This is why i am playing , and many others too...

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Hovergame wrote:

Becuase you don't have a I-WIN-stat in this game. I'm really happy that GGG doesn't listen to the folks like you.

I don't know about you personally, but everyone who wants loot from this game has it. It is really amusing to have an ever-raging great mathematician wanna-be in this thread. You imply that folks like you attract GGG attention. So please stay.

As you play the game you either want loot - then you go spork MF'er farm machine, - or you already have some - farmed, bought or gifted - then you can consider playing anything else. There's no other way around. Without MF right now you will either be undergeared (and lose HC char) or having no more maps to do. Removing MF will not guarantee noone will ever get any drop. It will guarantee everyone will get loot no matter how MF-stackable it was in the first place. Playing for the sole reason of existance of Magic Find is the main reason we want to remove it. There is no other option.