Remove MF completely from game

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thepmrc wrote:

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LostForm wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

Imagine a basic 100IIQ/400IIR setup and do the math yourself.

100% IIQ would be comparable to 2x clear speed, which I think is entirely doable probably a lot more. Dual totem spark is a strong build, it is safe, it is pretty easy to play, it is not a speed racer though compared to some builds one and two shotting bosses (there are more besides discharge).


I think you are over estimating your returns.

If you are getting 100% more items and 400% more of them are rare you get 8x as many rare items... yay for maths. Yes it is not the same return for currency, however, the return is much more than 2x, and even finding another build that is able to clear twice as fast without INSANE amounts of gear is not easy.

8x as many rare items is a stretch. Yay for mechanics and rng. And the chances of you needing to trade for gear even while netting more rares is large, and thus not making more flat currency doesnt pay off nearly as well in a item saturated market as you are making it out to.

There is the chaos recipe, I just dont see you completing 8x's as many chaos recipes as someone clearing areas 2x+ more times.

IIQ is the power stat for accumulating wealth. And that can be mimicked by faster clear speeds, which are not hard to achieve compared to a dual totem build.

And then mix in they can clear things about 1.5x's as fast, while getting half of your MF values pretty easily, with the tradeoff being it is more dangerous, and you can start to see there is a whole spectrum of possibilities for farming.

Basically removing magic find stats in no way changes the fact that you can trade clear speeds for a safer play style. It does allow the safer play styles to actually compete economically with clear speed oriented builds.

If you want to say there is to much advantage to the safer play styles with the current values of magic find, then perhaps there needs to be a tuning of magic find returns.

Removing the stat totally completely removes safe builds from the economical picture, and it completely destroys end game balancing act between character strength and drops per kill.

Let´s talk about builds that have twice the clearing speed of a dual sporker while beeing able to wear double advarius

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Nephalim wrote:

If i was able to run 75-77 consistent then 'maybe' i would consider it but atm running 72s-74s with the occasional 75-76 I really dont see any point.

Also, Keep in mind many items classes are not even worth picking up such as most 2handed weapons and most armor types which further diminishes mf's worth.

Regal recipe? Especially in high lvl maps shitlaods of rares will lead you to wealth....

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Spysong192 wrote:

Let´s talk about builds that have twice the clearing speed of a dual sporker while beeing able to wear double advarius

That would be pretty far out there in terms of OPness, the tradeoff to character strength is less IIQ uniques. It is for sure doable, question is how long can you maintain it. In a stardard rule set league, I can think of several.

Goldwyrm boots are pretty strong, weakest defensively for ES builds, weakest offensively for BM builds, but pretty univerally useable.

Now if you want to talk about builds able to achieve double the clear speed while wearing gold rings that have an IIQ roll (possibly even a double roll) I think we can come up with some.

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LostForm wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

Let´s talk about builds that have twice the clearing speed of a dual sporker while beeing able to wear double advarius

That would be pretty far out there in terms of OPness, the tradeoff to character strength is less IIQ uniques. It is for sure doable, question is how long can you maintain it. In a stardard rule set league, I can think of several.

Now if you want to talk about builds able to achieve double the clear speed while wearing gold rings that have an IIQ roll (possibly even a double roll) I think we can come up with some.

Could you just answere my question please.

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Spysong192 wrote:

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LostForm wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

Let´s talk about builds that have twice the clearing speed of a dual sporker while beeing able to wear double advarius

That would be pretty far out there in terms of OPness, the tradeoff to character strength is less IIQ uniques. It is for sure doable, question is how long can you maintain it. In a stardard rule set league, I can think of several.

Now if you want to talk about builds able to achieve double the clear speed while wearing gold rings that have an IIQ roll (possibly even a double roll) I think we can come up with some.

Could you just answere my question please.

I did answer your question. Could you ask a less obscure, more relevant question please?

The answer is pretty much any build designed to power clear areas while in a standard rule set.

Tell me the builds that have twice the clearing speed of a dual sporker while beeing able to wear double advarius

edit: starting maps, merc

Currently level 66

170% Rarity
60% Quantity

Lightning Striker. Not too high in the IIR/IIQ department.. but it's still alright. Just started maps also, with 77% All resists, can clear with insane speed. Had a Dual sporker and yeah, nothing will ever compare to it.

I would put LS into the 'traded clear speed for safer play style category'. Strong skill, not nearly the fastest in terms of wrecking whole screens.

Discharge, Cleave, DPS oriented bow builds, EK pre-nerf (havnt played with it post nerf), some EE builds, some ele proliferation burn builds.

These are builds I would put into the 'sacrifice safety to up clear speed category', and can pretty much one shot every mob, 2 shot bosses. How far you are willing to walk the edge of death will decide whether or not you want to run 2 andivarius rings.

dual spark totems is very strong and very safe. Magic find in no way changes the fact. A better solution would be something like adding -IIQ/-IIR to the ancestral bond passive. Possibly the summon notable in witch area.

Wouldnt that hurt totem users who had zero mf?