Remove MF completely from game

I did a lvl 70 map with 70 iqq and found 0 rares on my melee nonmfer recently - fullclear. It was a moment to remember.

It's extremely frustrating to play without MF. 99.9% of rares are crap. I cannot go to better areas without better gear. My gear sucks enough already and I can't fit in MF or else I'd die. I've been stuck for like a week now farming Fellshrine where 90% of my vendor sales have been 3-link RGB whites and garbage rares. You do get the odd chaos or regret orb, but in this game where decent gear starts in the exalts, the road seems endless if you're going to do it that way. At least drop me a fucking 5L so I can improve somewhat. And uniques? fuck what are those? I've seen like four drop in 115 hours of play. Ugh.

Grinding is fine, but if nothing ever drops, why should we play? Try starting a league where drop rates are reduced to 1% of normal and see how many people will join. If you laugh, you should reconsider how stupid this MF idea is. Cause that's how fun it feels like sometimes.

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Omnivor3 wrote:

Desync and MF are completely in different categories. I'll explain why.

Desync causes rage,...

MF on the other hand, is slowly accruing discontent towards the mechanic.

And you think MF doesn't cause rage? Because I disagree.

It causes frustration and even if you accomplish something it gives you an odd taste. Imagine - I farmed something like 30 exa on my mf char in a month of intensive play. After that ive spent something like 15 or a bit more on end game gear for my cyclone maruder. I faceroll high level maps. Gear could be improved. What to do now? I can't get better gear by using my expensive gear char that facerolls because 99.99% of the gear I get will be not as good as the stuff I already have. I clear 30% faster than my mf char. I get 2-5 rares per map with some mf and high mod maps. On my mf char I get 20-30. Where are diminishing returns? This should be reanalysed by game designers. Please don't pull out lunaris farming because all rares from there are crap and you can only think of uniques.

This lost it's spot on the first page and that's just sad. Just because I hadn't posted on this one before, doesn't mean I don't fully agree that MF completely ruins the game.

D3 realized the mistake and they didn't even have nearly as bad of a system. Remember that it's your IIQxIIR to get your magic find. Get your IIR to 100% and any IIQ is double effectiveness! My balance is currently:

1.55 x 2.77 = 4.29

That means I get 4.29 times more rare items. Build diversity? F that, just go with whatever doesn't require as much help from gear. Which are spells, in case some were wondering. The more range, the better (totems).

This is probably the best item I've found in the game so far, from some Failshrine run:



Realistically I know I'm guaranteed to eventually farm enough Jewel and Fusing orbs to finally get some presentable sockets on the thing, but jeezurs if burning a stack of Jewel's already to get three holes isn't dispiriting.

On some level this kind of design is a thing of beauty in a Grinding Gears sort of way. Trying to assemble the full triforce of power, Offense (socket system), Defense (life and resist), and Magic Find (Affixes and Sockets) is a far more herculean task than anything Link had to accomplish back in the day.

It would be so, so much easier if there was some way to quickly gather Armourer's Scraps..

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Please don't pull out lunaris farming because all rares from there are crap

The final tier of gear with the 2nd tier affixes available (90% of what the top tier offer)... It's very respectable stuff. Eons beyond the Docks.

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LimitedRooster wrote:

This is probably the best item I've found in the game so far, from some Failshrine run:

I have always hated MF in such games.

Of course you want to have good equipment on your char. So you create a new MF char for this purpose. But the paradox is even though you find pretty decent equipment still you have to play with MF char to get best end game equipment. What is at the end of the game (I mean as equipment I am pretty sure that ggg will provide more end content even more maps) ? What do you do after with your favorite character with best equipments? Just show off people?

That's why MF should be removed and everyone can go with theirs favorite build.

Rarity? As said before we can add it to maps. With this way game getting more challenging and enjoyable. Because we don't have to clear same places hundreds times.

It isn't a easy choice for ggg of course. But I am sure they really care about us. And as I undertand in these posts most of the people do not want MF.

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qiwie wrote:

I have always hated MF in such games.

Of course you want to have good equipment on your char. So you create a new MF char for this purpose. But the paradox is even though you find pretty decent equipment still you have to play with MF char to get best end game equipment. What is at the end of the game (I mean as equipment I am pretty sure that ggg will provide more end content even more maps) ? What do you do after with your favorite character with best equipments? Just show off people?

That's why MF should be removed and everyone can go with theirs favorite build.

Rarity? As said before we can add it to maps. With this way game getting more challenging and enjoyable. Because we don't have to clear same places hundreds times.

It isn't a easy choice for ggg of course. But I am sure they really care about us. And as I undertand in these posts most of the people do not want MF.

+1

I agree that MF can be implemented in a much better way.

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qiwie wrote:

I have always hated MF in such games.

Of course you want to have good equipment on your char. So you create a new MF char for this purpose. But the paradox is even though you find pretty decent equipment still you have to play with MF char to get best end game equipment. What is at the end of the game (I mean as equipment I am pretty sure that ggg will provide more end content even more maps) ? What do you do after with your favorite character with best equipments? Just show off people?

That's why MF should be removed and everyone can go with theirs favorite build.

Rarity? As said before we can add it to maps. With this way game getting more challenging and enjoyable. Because we don't have to clear same places hundreds times.

It isn't a easy choice for ggg of course. But I am sure they really care about us. And as I undertand in these posts most of the people do not want MF.

That's how D3 killed himself. As usual, the "OMG I WANT 1337 stuff ULZ, GIMME NOW" think that's how a game should be, and hopefully GGG doesn't lsten to them.

Always wore the best dps/health gear I could for mapping until I recently found out about iir/iiq working in maps... since then my dps sucks but I have over 200 combined magic find and you know what, the game is MUCH better, actually seeing good items drop now instead of crappy whites and blues lol
But my point is yes I agree remove MF from game, so we gear the best we can and instead increase drops especially Exalted orbs had 1 drop in 6months playing time, for me to get enough to buy a 6L would take me 10 dam years and I'm not waiting till I'm 50irl to get 6L lol